A Thin Religious Line (11 Viewers)

[Eddy]

so you guys think that a woman should marry more than one husband? from what eddy and jbf have said.

I never said that, stop putting words into my mouth and read before you post. I simply stated that in Islam if a man can marry 3 or 4 women, then why can't a woman marry 3 or 4 men as a man could. I admire the fact Nadine brought it up but I never agreed it to it, I wanted to see what the Muslims and the Arabs think about this and I am quite surprised with their answers in a good way.

 

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[Eddy]

By the way, Nadine is just looking for attention.

Could be. She's pretty cute though too.

 

[JBF]

Islam made the principle of having many wives in specific cases where many men are killed in wars, and the number of women is too high relatively to the number of living men. That is not the case now, so it does not apply. That is my take on that, at least.

Thank you

 

[Eddy]

Islam made the principle of having many wives in specific cases where many men are killed in wars, and the number of women is too high relatively to the number of living men. That is not the case now, so it does not apply. That is my take on that, at least.

Hmm I never knew that.

 

[Snoop]

Islam made the principle of having many wives in specific cases where many men are killed in wars, and the number of women is too high relatively to the number of living men. That is not the case now, so it does not apply. That is my take on that, at least.

Doesn't make much sense, but damn you for ruining my fun on JBF

 

[Ford Prefect]

I never said that, stop putting words into my mouth and read before you post. I simply stated that in Islam if a man can marry 3 or 4 women, then why can't a woman marry 3 or 4 men as a man could. I admire the fact Nadine brought it up but I never agreed it to it, I wanted to see what the Muslims and the Arabs think about this and I am quite surprised with their answers in a good way.

I dont think i made it clear enough, i was saying that jbf was saying that and i included you in my saying that because you were the one asking him. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[K.O.]

When asked about her comments, Nadine made an argument of "Slavery" being legal among muslim rulers through out history but now is rightly illegal in all islamic countries and laws.

According to Islam laws, slaves are considered human beings and possessed of some rights on the basis of their humanity. The Qur'an recognizes the basic inequality between master and slave and the rights of the former over the latter.

Even though she just wanted to get attention out of all this, I agree with her. Life now is very different from 1400 years ago in many ways as ReBeL pointed in his post.

Islam made the principle of having many wives in specific cases where many men are killed in wars, and the number of women is too high relatively to the number of living men. That is not the case now, so it does not apply. That is my take on that, at least.

 

[JBF]

When asked about her comments, Nadine made an argument of "Slavery" being legal among muslim rulers through out history but now is rightly illegal in all islamic countries and laws.



Even though she just wanted to get attention out of all this, I agree with her. Life now is very different from 1400 years ago in many ways as ReBeL pointed in his post.

Qur'an ended the slavery in Arabia, and there's an Aya that say: "ان اكرمكم عند الله اتقاكم" which implies that no human being is better than the other in life while when judgement day comes then faith is what defers between all the beings.

 

[Osman]

Islam made the principle of having many wives in specific cases where many men are killed in wars, and the number of women is too high relatively to the number of living men. That is not the case now, so it does not apply. That is my take on that, at least.

Exactly, this is the principle of Polygamy in general as a concept through history, atleast how it started out, practical solution to men dying in wars, leaving widows and families that have no provider, generally ended up at first with the brother/cousin of the fallen marrying the widow to take care of them when its absolute necessity. Then it evolved from there to status and power thing, ofcourse leading to a semi-general practice due to it (basically having psuedo slaves in a legal way in some places, who wouldnt want that...).

It has nothing to do with the religion, except advocating it as a way to take care of those who need it in your closest society back then. Now it does not apply, and should be frowned upon, big time.


The point this woman is making is dead on.

 

[K.O.]

Qur'an ended the slavery in Arabia, and there's an Aya that say: "ان اكرمكم عند الله اتقاكم" which implies that no human being is better than the other in life while when judgement day comes then faith is what defers between all the beings.

Nope.

In Qur'an, slaves are called "ما ملكت الايمان". Even righteous muslim rulers had slaves through out history. But slavery in Islam is very different. It's legal but not regarded as good and whoever frees a slave is promised heaven according to Qur'an.

 

[JBF]

Nope.

In Qur'an, slaves are called "ما ملكت الايمان". Even righteous muslim rulers had slaves through out history. But slavery in Islam is very different. It's legal but not regarded as good and whoever frees a slave is promised heaven according to Qur'an.

Some or actually most of the Khulafa'a in the Omayyad and Abassi periods used to drink and to have sex with prostitutes despite the fact that its prohibited in Islam so that hardly proves anything.

And just to make it clear, prophet Mohammad (&#1589 had a slave before Islam and then he freed him.

 

[Alen]

Islam made the principle of having many wives in specific cases where many men are killed in wars, and the number of women is too high relatively to the number of living men. That is not the case now, so it does not apply. That is my take on that, at least.

And you have a good point about everything you said in this post.

 

[K.O.]

Some or actually most of the Khulafa'a in the Omayyad and Abassi periods used to drink and to have sex with prostitutes despite the fact that its prohibited in Islam so that hardly proves anything.

And just to make it clear, prophet Mohammad (&#1589 had a slave before Islam and then he freed him.

That isn't true specially for Umayyed rulers except (Yazid) who ruled for only 4 years.

Omar bin Abdulaziz, regarded by all islamic scholars as the fifth righteous khalifa of Islam, had slaves. Also others like Harun Arrashid had slaves. Prophet Mohammed freed slaves because, as I said before, even though legal, it's not regarded as a good thing.

But as I noted before, slavery in Islam is very different. According to Islam laws, slaves are considered human beings and possessed of some rights on the basis of their humanity. The Qur'an recognizes the basic inequality between master and slave and the rights of the former over the latter.

 

[JBF]

That isn't true specially for Umayyed rulers except (Yazid) who ruled for only 4 years.

Omar bin Abdulaziz, regarded by all islamic scholars as the fifth righteous khalifa of Islam, had slaves. Also others like Harun Arrashid had slaves. Prophet Mohammed freed slaves because, as I said before, even though legal, it's not regarded as a good thing.

But as I noted before, slavery in Islam is very different. According to Islam laws, slaves are considered human beings and possessed of some rights on the basis of their humanity. The Qur'an recognizes the basic inequality between master and slave and the rights of the former over the latter.

Having slaves in Islam isn't prohibited but its "Makrooh". And in Islam, as you've said before, there are many actions that require freeing a slave to be accepted by god. For example, skiping a day in Ramadan calls for freeing a slave and that goes for breaking an oath. And in that way after 10 or so years slavery ended in Arabia but it returned again due to taking prisoners from the occupied countries later. So yes, Islam didn't end slavery at once but rather on phases.

 

[K.O.]

Having slaves in Islam isn't prohibited but its "Makrooh". And in Islam, as you've said before, there are many actions that require freeing a slave to be accepted by god. For example, skiping a day in Ramadan calls for freeing a slave and that goes for breaking an oath. And in that way after 10 or so years slavery ended in Arabia but it returned again due to taking prisoners from the occupied countries later. So yes, Islam didn't end slavery at once but rather on phases.

Exactly. Islam intended to end slavery as it was so common back then everywhere in the world. It wasn't easy to simply prohibit slavery once and for all. Similarly, drinking alcohol wasn't prohibited instantaneously.

Getting back to the topic, that's why I agree with Nadine. Slavery is rightly illegal now in all islamic laws and Polygyny should be also prohibited. Life now is very different as ReBeL noted in his post.

 

[Ahmed]

Hmm I never knew that.

would help if you bothered to research a little before creating such a thread...I know Islam-bashing is the 'in' thing to do right now, but surely one can try harder

 

[Eddy]

would help if you bothered to research a little before creating such a thread...I know Islam-bashing is the 'in' thing to do right now, but surely one can try harder

Islam bashing ?

I might be against religion but where in my posts does it clearly intent I am "Islam basing" ? A journalist states her opinion, I come onto this board wondering what the Arab members or anyone for that matter thinks about the subject.

Second, I don't want to "research". I don't have time to read all that shit.

 

[IrishZebra]

would help if you bothered to research a little before creating such a thread...I know Islam-bashing is the 'in' thing to do right now, but surely one can try harder

Yes it's the rest of the world that's at fault for Islam bashing

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Somebody accused me of damaging their property and taking a piss on their house last night. I was at a party full of strangers and people were saying I did it, which I did not. I became really aggravated but for some strange reason I just walked away instead of taking things further which I think is highly commendable seeing as I had haconsumed 10 pints.

I ended my night on top of a hill with a cigar in my mouth, snow falling by the buckload listening and shouting 'Juve Storia' .

I think it went rather well.

My hero

 

[IrishZebra]

My hero

more romantic then it sounds...