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Only 2 points. They only managed to draw their last two matches against Spartak Moscow and Bordeaux.

Willem II only managed to reach a UEFA Intertotocup spot because of refereeing errors :wallbang: The best sports newspaper in the country did some research and Willem II gained an amazing 12 points because of refereeing mistakes :dazed: And since there aren't any Dutch referees in the Icup...

It's not Wilhelm, it's Willem and just as well because it's a crap team and I hate them :yuck: BTW - it's not really a great happening if you beat Willem II - they get beated throughout the entire season over here :D;)

Join the club ;)

Oh go away, you :p:D

But only some, right? :D

Not in the national team no, you're right. Aber ich habe hauptsachlich clubfootball gemeint :) Thanks :D

Of course it does! Born in colonies or not - Davids, Seedorf, Kluivert and others all became big through the Ajax youth academies in their country!

Not so obvious actually - I have NO idea what you mean here :D

Immigrants? No, sorry. Edgar Davids, Patrick Kluivert, Pierre van Hooijdonk, Clarence Seedorf and nowadays Nigel de Jong, Rafael van der Vaart, Andy van der Meyde are all citizens of the Kingdom of the Netherlands That's what I meant with producing talent ;)

Euro88 :p And where are you from again? Aaah yess of course! Malaysia! They are soooo gooood!!!

True - there's a reason why almost all the great Dutch players play abroad. One thing though - Holland DOES produce more talent than Switzerland...

Cause we probably would have seen 'em some time in the UEFAcup or something I reckon

None - great players don't play in Switzerland, just like you won't find many great players in Belgium and countries like that.

What a heartwarming story :D My life used to evolve around music, friends, surfing, swimming and stuff but not football. I only started caring about that in '96 or so.

Not very no - I wasn't into Juve (or football) as much back then as I am now. Just some vague memories of that, nothing more.

I never saw that can you believe :wallbang:

I remember how København beat Ajax in the UEFAcup two years ago. Talk about embarassing :D

Thank you Oded! :D Lec - that's not possible :p;)

I think you're underestimating Anderlecht a bit here but we'll see.