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That's a difficult question. I don't really know tbh. :undecide: Of course they do good things, but if I'm trying to think of something that is exclusive to theists then I don't know.

@JR Thank you for ignoring my request as I knew you would. You show me no respect by ignoring everything I've ever said and restating this rational basis bullshit. I find no pleasure in debating someone who is so dishonest. Once you show that your only motive is to undermine and twist...

Forget it. It's clear you don't get where laws come from.

The point is that they best reflect the reality of people's lives. And as this reality chnages, from a stone age to the 21st century, so do these laws. There are lots of countries where murder is law, including Syria, look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_nation...

Er human laws are based on the trade-offs and compromises of the interests of various groups. They are the best balance we have found to protect various interests from each other. Saying there is no guarantee of correctness is meaningless, because there is no such thing as correctness. If you...

That's an assumption. And what does "perfect" mean anyway? Nothing is perfect, why should this be?

Too much what? Therefore we have referees. And laws. And police. And judges. And moderators.

lok ok. So if there is no reason to the color of the sun why would there be a reason for our lives? Either everything is the way it is for a reason, or nothing is. Isn't that logical? Fine, but none of this has anything to do with god. All this exists in our natural world. This question...

I think the more urgent question is "why would he want us at all"? Is he bored? Is there nothing on tv? Why create a world of puppets and then sit there watching them, knowing exactly what they will do? Isn't that like putting rats in a maze or something?

Indeed. The point is that there is no reason the sun has to be yellow. And there is no more reason you are alive, even if you apparently want a reason. But you just said you don't like the idea that there is no reason for you to be alive. And now you say you don't know what the reason is. So...

What do you mean remain? You always talk about religion as some sort of inevitability. Why wouldn't I remain? If I hadn't read any books and I hadn't gotten more interested in religion, then I would have just lived my life being an atheist. It's not like I have people coming to my house or...

I can't really consider this question seriously, because it's not a possible reality. What you are suggesting is a world where every single person believes in religion and that's just not possible in practice. (Strictly speaking not likely, but practically speaking not possible.) If you ask...

Why is the sun yellow and not green? Why would he do that? And how is it a meaningful life to live your whole life under the supervision of some guy who keeps watching every move you make? Does this make your life happy? Because I don't understand the logic of that at all.

Yes, because then I can decide myself what my life is for. I like freedom.

First you said it would be strange if our lives did not have any reason to them. Then you said god created the chessboard for a reason. So what is this reason?

Particular reason? What reason?

You're not making sense.

I thought we already figured this out on page 1?

What Seven said. You're mixing words. Reason is not the same as cause. Everything does not happen for a reason. It happens as a result of a cause. Within the chessboard.

Religion and atheism are not the same thing, much as people around here like to peddle that idea. The fact about people believing things because others believe them applies to everything, not just religion. The difference is I claim religion is basically sophistry. It's a lot of complicated...