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Just an outside observation. Surveillance like it's CIA headquarters, cops hassling people for taking pictures in public, government collecting more and more data with no thought to privacy, routinely losing usb sticks with thousands of records on the bus and such, expense accounts scandal where...

:lol2: The thought of playing for the English national team must disturb anyone :D

may I? :)

I don't know much about this, but I caught a whiff of the expense account scandal. Government's reaction? Investigate? Not so much. Instead we must chase down the person who leaked that information. Way to build credibility there.

UK seems pretty f up, yeah. A bunch of morons in that parliament. Btw do you consider yourself English? :)

That's a pretty bad system. People over here go to prison for that.

It's weird that you never seem to understand what I'm getting at.

Let's remember that you are the one who presented these guidelines as the path to harmony. And then questions arose about how exactly they help achieve this. Having a competent and honest public is the pipe dream of every democracy and it's never been achieved. Democracy always suffers at the...

Btw, to say that other countries have achieved this who are more prosperous is a strange cop out. I mean which are these other countries? Western countries? So how are they following the Islamic teachings?

She took you to the cleaners, my friend. The piece you posted it a lot of wishful thinking and "how we would like things to be", but no insight about how to achieve this. If you make a claim that "rulers should be competent people, motivated in all honesty" but then you offer no instructions...

It's obvious what this is. People projecting their own preferences onto "god" so they can gain the justification to enforce them. As someone said "isn't it curious that your god shares all your opinions and preferences". This is just hilarious.

Well I agree with your conclusion at least. Religion can never be apolitical. At best it can be relegated to a marginal position in society where it exerts no political power (much like European monarchs in this day and age). It still possesses political aspirations though because of what it is.

That is basically a contradiction in terms. Show me a religious movement that doesn't/didn't have political aspirations. The whole idea of religion is that you are 'blessed' with this fantastic knowledge of how to live a better life and you are commanded to spread the glorious message. In its...

Scandinavia is in the West thou :D "those that run it", you make it sound like an amusement park :D

I know what it is, it's the evil west that ruined you :D

Ah yes, you're one of those sliverspoon Muslims of entitlement, too lazy and decadent to perform your duty :D

So because you have made this suggestion with no compelling evidence we should abandon the established figures and go with your suggestion?

But that contradicts what you said before, that lots of people are joining, sum total is growing.

Ask Ze, he needs this to beef up his recruitment statistics. :D Ok, serious question: If people started abandoning Islam en masse and basically you were the only Muslim left of all the people you knew, do you think you'd be likely to have a crisis of faith?

Bes is that guy who goes to a dinner party and tells a rude joke, which makes the old people all upset. I'm the one trying to talk him out of it.