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He was a massive diver, but that line does become blurred with fast and direct players, because a small touch is a foul and they can play on it.

Yeah but it worked over and over. Like Beckham's crossing.

Close in the end then. Really enjoyed watching Ribery the player over his career. Absolute cock of a bloke but he and Robben on the wings at their best was wing play at its finest.

Dortmund aren't going to beat BMG anyway.

You reminded me of that unbelievable last season he had with Jubilo. They were never the same when he left.

:lol3::lol3:

The Rock?

Yeah they've really tried hard to kill their prestige, although they both threaten (and fail) to snap out of it every season. The Chinese and American investment will probably bring a return of at least strong teams in the next few years, as will the guaranteed 4 CL places. I don't really know...

I'm not looking to belittle any audience, just think it's a bizarre time frame and reasoning for the standing of a team. I think if you look anywhere around the world at any period of time the teams rated biggest would correlate strongly with those currently best, it's just not something I...

It's also the biggest fad culture on the planet. Besides, what am I being sold here? Because America has decided to like soccer it can now dictate that their 5-15 year window of interest is most relevant and Dortmund are the same as Milan or Inter? That's like me saying that the Cavs are as big...

American audiences are not the same as the rest of the world.

How do Hamburg compare in terms of standing now, all things considered? I'm not too sure about saying Fiorentina, Sampdoria or Lazio (never really won all that much ever), or Torino (won lots 60 years ago) compare to the likes of Schalke, Hoffenheim, Leverkusen etc, but Milan or Inter compared...

Well yeah, Italy also has Milan and Inter, who may currently be quite shit but are still international clubs with appeal for domestic and foreign players. Now if you're trying to tell me that Dortmund or anyone below is the same as those clubs I can't add much else.

Why should I not tell you that? It happens all the time. Italy is not like Germany, if there is a viable Italian option other than Juve then some will go there, if not they'll go abroad instead. It's that sad (but also less boring).

Just his natural career progression. It's not his fault the league/country only has one team of international standing.

Young German talent going to Bayern.

Surprising move.

Why are Bayern so poor right now?

Why is it there seems to be a lot more of these bizarre incidents involving German/Bundesliga keepers?