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What's wrong though is denying the past to make the present look even worse. And that's what Turk does.

Neither can I. But it's not a personal insult.

Let's not push it here. A lot of people who are now grandfathers lost relatives in WWII. Hell, even my two grandfathers lost relatives and yes, they did have friends and family members who have spent time in concentration camps. I am as shocked as you are, but don't act as if you're attacked here.

And following the war it was quickly established that all of Europe was responsible for allowing a Nazi regime in a certain way. Moreover the officials of several national police forces later admitted to having helped the Nazis, even if they were forced to do so. I don't see how the Holocaust...

So when was the last time you've been in the "West"?

Oh really? How exactly did Europe benefit from the invention of the Holocaust? And even if you don't accept the Nuremberg trials, you still have to counter the evidence given in those trials. If you don't, it means you can't. If you can't, it must be true. Whether or not those trials had...

I've provided lots of evidence. You didn't even look at it.

I really feel for people like you. It's not your fault, you can't help it. It's either certain influences (and yes, they have a goal in mind) that make you think like this or it's your own character. Either way you must be very susceptible to this way of thinking. Unfortunately it does not...

Andy, no offense, but I did know about this. Obviously. I have talked about it in the past, on this very forum. But I still say the Holocaust was the worst. For several reasons. Some of them aren't even a genocide. In fact, strictly speaking the first two aren't even a genocide. Which leaves us...

My ban? No idea.

swag replied for me, hambon :).

A five year old idiot who at least has the decency to check out who does what before accusing people. How are you ever going to understand the mechanisms of international politics if you think the EU is responsible for human rights all over the globe?

It's debatable. You could argue it is. But I personally think it's not. Still, the EU :D, the EU :D!! Great stuff, mate.

The Holocaust was the worst genocide in the history of man, Andy. Any statement denying that is moronic.

This Holocaust cannot be compared to others, no. There are various reasons for that, such as the sheer number of people killed. One could say there have been other Holocausts, the Rwandan genocide comes to mind, but the word Holocaust is generally preserved to describe the Nazi genocide...

I care about the comparison, yes.

For starters I care about the Holocaust, because no one seems to remember what it was. This is not another Holocaust, Andy and don't act as if it is. Israel should be punished and it's a godawful war, but it's not another Holocaust. It's a completely different thing. The comparison isn't right...

The more I read it, the funnier it gets really. The EU! :D Where do you come up with this stuff? It's awesome.

Slander. Same principle: if you can prove that it's true..

What I find really ironic is that muslims are trying to tell me that it's wrong for European countries to say that denying the Holocaust is illegal, because in the end there's such a thing as freedom of speach. I mean, these people would want my head if I were to say that the Prophet was gay and...