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Didn't realize my post was so illegible but you have reiterated my point here.

It has to do with the power of reiligion, Desmond. You can make people do anything in the name of religion and it doesn't really surprise me anything, we are talking about our basic belief system. Religion defines our ethics. If we are "taught" religion by someone who wants to guide us in a...

And who said Andy and I will never agree on anything in politics? I suppose that was my assumption but lookie here. Andy, just ask yourself now. How are we being misled by our leaders for their personal gains? How do we shoot ourselves in the foot regularly as we buy into their campaign...

What's your point? How do you justify war to the masses and gain their support for your plot? There is nothing more effective than religion. Just ask the crusaders.

That's right. And whether or not for instance the Middle East was a region in crisis there could still be Islamic terrorists (or terrorists operating any other flag for that matter). It's just that people suffering makes it all the most likely that a very few of them are willing to go very far...

It's not just Bush and Blair, Andy, it's a systematic, consistent foreign policy which has been around for a century of time. There have been variations and while Bush jr seems especially blood thirsty, American foreign policy hasn't changed much over years because the people who actually decide...

Actually, forget it, that is a completely fair analogy. I guess it could be said they are both doing exactly the same. The difference is that GWB is a politician, not just a war monger. He does accomplish positive things as well, otherwise noone would vote for him.

Really, when?

Are you insane? You are comparing a George Bush to Usama Bin Laden? Does Bush teach his people to go and kill people??

Attention for a good cause my ass. The leaders behind this are scumbags of the tallest order who manage to convince a marginal part of the disgruntled population (disgruntled thanks to the fantastic western world) that sacrificing their own lives is a noble act for the Islamic cause (or whatever...