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    Quote Originally Posted by PhRoZeN View Post
    Of course its a local opinion, it has to stem from somewhere.
    Anyway it influences the majority. This could be fans and media outlets in countries like US, to scandanavia i.e across the globe.
    I don't know why I'm even talking about this. It doesn't matter at all.
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    So any news on him? Is he staying? I was one of the many guys bashing him when we didnt play so good this season, ohh how wrong I was. His new tactics has completly changed the whole team, hopefully he stays with us for another few years.

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    He might join Arsenal still
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    Spalletti replacement at Roma

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgorTudor View Post
    Spalletti replacement at Roma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacheryah View Post
    I like to compare Capello to Guardiola.

    Both are coaches which were given ridiculous idiotic amounts of talent to work with. Both will deliver if among that ridiculously idiotic amount of talent has the type of player they require.
    Both are also unfairly labeled to be versatile, whilst their downfall proves the opposite.

    Capello is known to be that ultrastrict defensive coach who'd invite the opponent and completely cancel their creativity. Not by aggressive pressing, but by organisation and positionning and forcing errors. He was also the guy with the strict offensive patterns. (conte is similar in a way, just notTHAT strict).

    He was gifted a defence of Baresi, Maldini, Tassotti and Costacuerta. Best defence in history. Exact style he'd want. Midfield with Albertini, Donadoni, Ancelotti and Rijkaard. Thats 4 tactical geniusses and Albertini has ridiculous playmaking ability (passing mostly) on top of his legendary defensive ability. Van basten as a forward.



    Thats exactly like Guardiola wanting to play tiki taki and look, it has Xavi prime, Iniesta prime, busquets to handle it, Alves, pique and curlyhair behind it and Messi with some lads in front. Fitted him similarly.



    But zach, capello went to madrid, surely madrid isnt that strict defensive organised powerhouse, with exceptional organisatory and defensive players who ridiculously also had insane offensive abilities ?


    Nope. Defence had Hierro and Sanchis. Ze roberto and Roberto $#@!ing carlos. Midfield ? Redondo prime baby (best cm in history). How about seedorf prime, who'd go to be a keyplayer in 4 CL trophee's for 4 different teams ? Not to mention suker raul and mijatovic(we now that guy) in front.
    Again, a team with less defensive ability then milan, but the players capello needs. Didnt win a trophee cause even better sides in europe at that point.



    How about roma ?

    Yea. Crappy team which had : Samuel prime, Cafu, candela, Emerson prime, Totti hitting his prime, montela (easily forgotten) and Batistuta (many forget how great he was)


    How about juve ?

    Most balanced team in the world. Yet couldnt adapt to fastpaced english styles going around his organisation.


    Capello is a great coach when given the players he requires. And if the talent is insane, he'll win trophee's.



    He couldnt adapt his approach. Same with guardiola. Give him his players and he'll do well. Give him exceptional and he'll win stuff. Give him not what he exactly wants, and he wont win.
    Im sorry zach but thats just a bunch of biased bs. You just arbitrarily and selectively apply your logic to whomever you want. Two can play this game. Let me show you:

    Lippi is a coach that was given a ridiculous amount of talent to work with, otherwise he wouldnt be succesful.

    He won the CL and reached a number of finals and won a few serie a titles with a team that boasted the likes of Peruzzi, Davids, Deschamps, Zidane, a prime Del Piero. It was one of the best teams in Europe.

    You will say but Fred, what about the Italian NT, surely that was a great job he did with the NT, they were nobodys favorites and he won the WC. Sure crapoy team that had a Prime Buffon, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Pirlo and Gatusso at their best, Toni at the prime of his career and Del Piero, Totti and Camoranesi (many forget how great that team was)

    See what i did there??

    Plus if i asked you to compare players are you gonna tell me that a team that had an attack of Del Piero and Inzaghi and later the former and Trezeguet is less than an attack of Messi and Villa or Etoo. Especially taking into consideration that you dont think that highly of messi anyway and rate a prime DP above him. As for midfield youve always said that busquets was average, so we can establish that deschamps and later Conte were obviously better. Of course Zizou and Davids are better than Xavi and Iniesta. So really Lippi won the CL with a better squad than poop.

    Then he went to Inter and couldnt adapt. Thats why i dont consider him a great coach.

    Disclaimer: i dont believe any of what i said above. I am illustrating a point, that two can play Zacs game of just dismissing coaches achievements at will.
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    Well adding inter failure to lippi's cv is like adding a literal $#@! dish to a wc chef's cv because he was given literal poo to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by napoleonic View Post
    Well adding inter failure to lippi's cv is like adding a literal $#@! dish to a wc chef's cv because he was given literal poo to work with.
    To be fair though the world class chef could have said no to cooking with poo
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    Mistakes are make, Lippi is a genius and Max is following the master steps
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    Quote Originally Posted by napoleonic View Post
    Well adding inter failure to lippi's cv is like adding a literal $#@! dish to a wc chef's cv because he was given literal poo to work with.
    I don't necessarily disagree. But once you want to start playing this game of giving credit to coaches you like, and then dismissing others for similar achievements, it becomes a slippery slope.

    Most coaches who are successful would naturally have the best teams or close to it. Lippi won things with the likes of Del Piero, Zidane, Inzaghi, Nedved, Deschamps, Davids, Montero, Zambrotta, Buffon and Peruzzi. Nobody can argue that Lippi's teams were one of the best in the world at the time, yet Zach doesn't want to give credit to Capello for winning the league with Roma, or the leagues he won with Milan. It doesn't make sense, you either give credit to a coach for managing to organize a group of strong individuals or you don't, but you can't have it both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree. But once you want to start playing this game of giving credit to coaches you like, and then dismissing others for similar achievements, it becomes a slippery slope.

    Most coaches who are successful would naturally have the best teams or close to it. Lippi won things with the likes of Del Piero, Zidane, Inzaghi, Nedved, Deschamps, Davids, Montero, Zambrotta, Buffon and Peruzzi. Nobody can argue that Lippi's teams were one of the best in the world at the time, yet Zach doesn't want to give credit to Capello for winning the league with Roma, or the leagues he won with Milan. It doesn't make sense, you either give credit to a coach for managing to organize a group of strong individuals or you don't, but you can't have it both ways.
    What he is saying is Lippi was flexible and could adapt to the squad he was given, similar to Allegri. But Capello and Pep are stubborn and don't adapt, they just force the players to fit their system. No flexibility.
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