Yugoslavia in the 90s: the greatest team there never was? (1 Viewer)

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
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#1
The Yugoslavian war possibly denied the world the greatest team in football history.



Some great teams are designed, planned from the very first in painstaking detail; some are flung together, making a mockery of all notions of preparations. It was 20 years ago this summer that, almost blinking in surprise at themselves, the greatest youth team there has ever been swept to the World Under-20 championship in Chile.

In the build-up to the tournament, the Yugoslav Football Federation (FSJ) made no secret of the fact they were sending a team only to fulfil their obligation to Fifa. Their captain, Aleksandar Djordjevic, had been sent off in the final qualifying match in Hungary and banned for four games, and with Igor Berecko, Dejan Vukicevic, Igor Pejovic and Seho Sabotic injured and Boban Babunski left out because he was in dispute with his club over his contract, the FSJ also told Sinisa Mihajlovic, Vladimir Jugovic and Alen Boksic to stay at home on the grounds that they would gain more by playing league football.

The only journalist who travelled to the finals was Toma Mihajlovic, and even he was there mainly to report on the large Yugoslav ex-pat community in Santiago. Mihajlovic, who died earlier this year, was one of football's great anecdotalists, a man hugely generous with his time and memories. Chile 1987 he always recalled as one of his favourite trips. "Nobody had any expectations from the team," he said. "We thought they'd play the three group games and go home. But when they got to Chile those players found another face. They found a nice country and good accommodation in excellent hotels, and so many girls around..."

After heavy rain had forced the postponement of the opening ceremony, Yugoslavia beat Chile in the opening game 4-2, a victory of such fluency that a belief was ignited. It was here, Slaven Bilic always maintained, that the spirit that carried Croatia to third place in the 1998 World Cup was born. He was not there, sidelined by an ankle injury (although he never played for Yugoslavia at any level, perhaps because of his father's position as a prominent advocate of greater Croatian autonomy), but in that Yugoslavia team were Robert Jarni, Igor Stimac, Robert Prosinecki, Zvonimir Boban and Davor Suker, all mainstays of Miroslav Blazevic's squad 11 years later.

"The boys realised that if they won the second and third games they would be able to stay in Santiago," Mihajlovic said. And it was worth staying in. Mirko Jozic, the Yugoslavia coach, had a reputation as a disciplinarian, and tried to rein his players in, but Stimac had met the winner of Miss Chile 1987, herself of Yugoslav descent, and nothing was going to get in the way of his socialising. "There were no out and out fights," said Mihajlovic, "but there was constant friction between them. I was with the players most nights, and there was nothing wild. They stuck together and didn't drink, but they did stay in the clubs until three or four every morning."

Australia were dispatched 4-0 and Togo 4-1. Then Red Star decided they could do with Prosinecki for a Uefa Cup tie against Club Bruges, and attempted to recall him. The players protested to Fifa, and João Havalange, then the organisation's chairman, intervened to keep Prosinecki in Chile. He responded by bending in a last-minute free-kick winner against Brazil in the quarter-final. It was later voted the goal of the tournament.

Yugoslavia then beat East Germany 2-1 in the semi-final, but at some cost. Predrag Mijatovic was sent off and Prosinecki was booked in the last minute, meaning both would miss the final through suspension. A plot, clearly, for no Balkan victory is complete without a triumph over perfidy. The Australian referee, Richard Lorenc, it turned out, had had a major confrontation with the Red Star legend Dragan Sekularac, then coaching in Melbourne, only a year earlier. And hadn't the Australian coach, Les Scheinflug, who had been born in Yugoslavia of German parents, warned Jozic about him?

Well, perhaps, but if there really were a conspiracy, why let Yugoslavia win? Why wait until the final minute, when there could be no guarantee he would make a tackle, to book Prosinecki? None of it sounds very convincing, and if there were a plot it failed dismally. Boban gave Yugoslavia an 85th-minute lead against West Germany in the final, and, although Marcel Witeczek equalised with a penalty two minutes later, he went on to miss his kick in the shoot-out, giving Yugoslavia victory.

"The team stayed in Chile for two days afterwards to celebrate," Mihajlovic said. "It was Robert Jarni's birthday so there was a party for him. In the semi-final Dubravko Pavlicic had had two teeth knocked out by Matthias Sammer, so they invited the dentist who'd repaired them to the party and presented him with the match-ball. There was a real family atmosphere with the Yugoslav community there, and when they went home after three weeks everybody was crying."

And yet, celebrated as that 1987 team are, there is always the shadow of what if? What if the war hadn't happened? What if Jarni, Stimac, Prosinecki, Boban, Suker and Mijatovic had been allowed to blend with Mihajlovic, Jugovic and Boksic, as well as the players who were already established - Dragan Stojkovic, Dejan Savicevic and Srecko Katanec. "Then," Katanec said, "we would have crushed the world." Perhaps, but instead they had to watch as Denmark took their place at Euro 92, and won the tournament.

Jonathan Wilson | Guardian.co.uk
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#3
A good read about a great team. But I am far too jaded with experience to lend any credibility to the idea that a legendary youth squad naturally translates to a good adult squad. Teamwork is an elusive thing.
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
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#4
A good read about a great team. But I am far too jaded with experience to lend any credibility to the idea that a legendary youth squad naturally translates to a good adult squad. Teamwork is an elusive thing.
Didn't read the article, will do later. But the Saudi youth team won the World Cup in 89, BOOM, 13 years later 8-0 against Germany:D. Although admittedly that wasn't the same team.

We qualified for the first time to the WC in 94 and won the Asian Cup in 96 with that 89 team, but still they were supposedly the best team in the world back in 89 but failed to get anything but continental honors (the weakest continent that is!)

Edit: I take it back, just looked it up, and only 3-4 players actually made it into the the 94/96 teams...the rest just failed to live to expectations. Which pretty much proves Greg's point more and more.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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There is no guaranteed that great young players make outstanding professionals, but Yugoslavian team could have won and WC and Euro in their prime. I remember them giving Argentina a real good run for money in 90 WC and only to be knocked out unluckily. If the team torn off half of its stars, Croatia, finish 3rd in WC, and Yugoslavia give Dutch a real game in the last 16, and only to reach quarter finals in 2000 with its aging team, I don't think it is too much of push to say they could have won WC in 94, 98 or Euro in 96.

Dragan, Boban, Boksic, Jugovic, Prosinecki, Bilic, Mihajlovic, Savicevic, Jarni, Katanec, Suker all in their prime would have been some team going forward.

Having said that a lot of their youngsters didnt become as good pro as many expected. Dragan arrived in Verona with unbelivable sum at that time and only to move to then newly formed J-Leage couple of years later. Boksic I believe arrived Lazio with like the 2nd highest ever paid, only to find out, he could do everything but score at the highest level of competition. Jarni arrived at Juve with many touting him to be the next Cabrini, and bam, the next you know it, he can't crack Lippi's rotation and sent packing to Betis.
 

ararossi

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Jun 6, 2007
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fantastic read i for one felt this team had all the potential to be world beaters , Most of these players came from Red Star Belgrade and they had tasted continental club sucess winning the European Cup during the glory years albeit thru a boring final, it was waste that they banned or expelled from the Euro tournament in 92 it was their tournament for the taking .The east europeans had always players of great techical skills( romanians of Hagi era, Bulgarians of Stoichkov era and the czechs pre Nedved retirement era) but somehow they lack a quality coach or manager with tactical nuance to blend these talented teams into effective units , don't get me wrong the Bulgarians did well to reach the Word Cup Semi-final in 1990 slaying Germany along the way, the Romanians also had a quater-final showing in that same world cup. who could forget the second round match against Argentina voted the best game of that World Cup and one of the best games in the history of World Cup.Czechs were oustanding in the Euro 98 and 2004 series but alas did not win that tournament.
These teams have fond memories in a lot peoples heart for they way they played which was more on a attaking emphasis.Cheers to all these teams and may your stories be told long after.
 
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Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
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  • Thread Starter #9
    Another Interesting stat from that tournament:

    Yugoslavia set a new FIFA World Youth Championship scoring record (which still stands today): they banged in an average of 2.44 goals per game, finishing with 22 goals for and 9 against.
     

    Boudz

    Mercato Tourist
    Aug 1, 2002
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    #10
    Czechs were oustanding in the Euro 98 and 2004 series but alas did not win that tournament.
    Euro 96 :D

    Great article, God knows what would have happened if the war never broke out. It's a shame they lost their place in 92. I guess they'll go down in history as the team that almost became the greatest.
     

    V

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    Jun 8, 2005
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    "The boys realised that if they won the second and third games they would be able to stay in Santiago," Mihajlovic said. And it was worth staying in. Mirko Jozic, the Yugoslavia coach, had a reputation as a disciplinarian, and tried to rein his players in, but Stimac had met the winner of Miss Chile 1987, herself of Yugoslav descent, and nothing was going to get in the way of his socialising.
    Always nice to know their hearts were in the right place. :D


    Great article indeed and if you ask me there would be no "if's" concerned about that team that never was, they would have won everything pure and simple. Like Jun said, a team of old "leftovers" won a 3rd place in '98 and practically only lacked a little bit of luck in the dying moments to enter the final, a final which we would have won against that Brasil.

    Imagine what the Yugoslavian team would have done, add Savicevic, Mijatovic, Stojokovic, Katanec, Jugovic, Mihajlovic....mark my words, one of the cups from '90 to '98 would have been Yugoslavian.
     

    Marc

    Softcore Juventino
    Jul 14, 2006
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    All you are is a jealous little bitch/worthless little faggot that supports France over your own country. People like you are worthless.
    And you are the next American president. After all, you don´t have to be smart to be American president.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    1st place: Croatia
    2nd place: France

    111111111111111111111111888888888888889999999999999999999996666666666666666666666665555555555555555555555333333333333333333444444444444444444444th place: Andy
    You're not a real supporter of Croatia. Anybody with half the patriotism would eat you alive, especially barkuss who would rape your dead body for supporting france over your own country. I seriously hope he does because you're really a worthless Croat.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    And you are the next American president. After all, you don´t have to be smart to be American president.
    Nice racist comment.

    But I don't expect anything more from you... you are easily the most worthless member of any forum I have been a part of. There's no doubt in my mind that you have the intellect of a fringe-retard seeing all of your posts, and even I owned you in that thread where I stated the special olympics are running out of your exploits. Unfortunately you didn't understand the insult and you never responded, which leads me to believe you are indeed worthless. But I've already known you're worthless, so dont take it too harshly.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    Barkuss is an ignorant peasant with serious brain damage. He can be my b.tch, nothing more.
    Barkuss is a true patriot, and I seriously hope you two meet up. He'd knock some sense into you... but you'd probably be dead. I seriously hope Bark pulls through, he's a true patriot, unlike yourself.
     

    Marc

    Softcore Juventino
    Jul 14, 2006
    21,649
    #20
    You pay too much attention to me. Just like Rab. I completely agree with what Tonykart said about you, that you have no life.

    I also see you still haven´t got over the fact you were fired as a moderator? To tell you the truth, it was a wise decision. You are not worth that position. People like you would have turned this Forum into beer and MLS forum. We don´t want that or either your fake intellectual comments.

    Seven´s brain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your brain.

    Cheers. :pint:
     

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