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[Bjerknes]

However, Burke gave evidence that supports his theory that history is not on England's side, but yet we always hear the same voices mentioning England winning the World Cup. From what I have seen, there is no country besides Brazil that rates their chances oh so incredibly high every four years before the World Cup. It might seem provocative, but he raises a good question, just not stated in the most freindly sort of way.

 

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[Bjerknes]

If this is not about what I specifically said, why did you quote me then?

Premeditated thread? I don't see the big deal here....every thread is a premeditated thread.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
Do I care what you get, what you see, what you are fed? No. That isn't England, that isn't my problem, don't blame the 'English media' when talking about watered down American TV. It's built to suit your audience.

I'm not annoyed about what you are saying. I'm annoyed about the premeditated threads between you and your buddy. You aren't a bigot? Whatever, though Burke has certainly show he is. Oh he just realised England hadn't won a tournament in so long and he wanted an intelligent football debate? HAHAHAHA! Riiiiiight. That asshole can't handle anything outside jokes about a players name sounding like cock.

Oh ok Burke. A quote from Joe Cole. So what? 'Burst the bubble' isn't that exactly right? Didn't I explain why we have the bubble? Because we can, we have shown we are capable and it's entirely possible we could win. Will we remain optimistic for EVERY single tournament now and forever?

Yes. Because that my friend is what Britain is all about. Something you can't understand in your American life.

The end. I don't care to continue in discussions where the objective is simply to provoke.

It wasn't Joe Cole, it was Frank lampard, read more carefully.

You are capable, what deems "capable?" Is that some kind of worthless term given out that means 'possible?' Yea, sure, you guys POSSIBLY have the ability, you POSSIBLY will win, but also, the English could POSSIBLY go out before the knock-out stages. Hell, even EGYPT can POSSIBLY win.

So, we have established that anything is POSSIBLE, but is it PROBABLE, fuck no.

Britain is all about having a fictional bubble placed around its team because they hold their standards high? Which is more detrimental than anything, I think. But I would think Britain is about a strong unified Kingdom with more rich history than most any country, that is what I would say Britain is about.

But, once again, you are right, I know nothing of your country, because I am American, I am the ugly American with no knowledge at all.

We aren't blaming the English for our country force feeding us the English media, you need to read for comprehension, not just string what we say into supposed blastfeming bigoted rantings. We aren't BLAMING the Enlish, we said that the English media is ALL WE SEE. So, chill.

The thread was not meant to either offend or demean the English people, it was to show that they ARE NOT THAT GOOD! So, yes, it was for an educated debate, contrary to what you may think, look who is biased now.

PS - Nothing I said in that thread was "bigoted" I said nothing about the English people as a whole, or any ethnic group, I talked about the past 40 years of the ENGLISH NATIONAL SIDE, you uncoordinated bastard. So please, stop putting word in my mouth. I haven't personally attacked ANYONE since I have been back, so don't try and push my buttons, Jamie.

 

[Dan]

Despite myself choosing to support the Italian NT over the English NT, due to having the luxury of supporting both over my blood, I have to say I cannot see much wrong with the attitude. So what? Should the England fans think they are going to lose? If the mentality of a country is to go in and know they will lose, then they probably will. However, if one thinks optimistically about ones chances and has an overall postive mentality over Englands chaces (if you are an England fan) where is the harm in that? They dont call supporters the 12th player on the pitch for nothing!

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
However, Burke gave evidence that supports his theory that history is not on England's side, but yet we always hear the same voices mentioning England winning the World Cup. From what I have seen, there is no country besides Brazil that rates their chances oh so incredibly high every four years before the World Cup. It might seem provocative, but he raises a good question, just not stated in the most freindly sort of way.

That's not what this discussion is for and you know that. And stats are irrelevent to our current chances of winning it anyway. And no, not everyone is saying we are going to. Infact I haven't heard that much at all. I don't know maybe it goes over my head, I don't sit infront of the TV 20 hours a day to pick out hinting quotes to English bias.

I'm not here to talk with you about England or English football anymore. Forgive me from ignoring from this point.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
Despite myself choosing to support the Italian NT over the English NT, due to having the luxury of supporting both over my blood, I have to say I cannot see much wrong with the attitude. So what? Should the England fans think they are going to lose? If the mentality of a country is to go in and know they will lose, then they probably will. However, if one thinks optimistically about ones chances and has an overall postive mentality over Englands chaces (if you are an England fan) where is the harm in that? They dont call supporters the 12th player on the pitch for nothing!

I just think they are setting the bar too high, it puts un-needed pressure on the team.

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Sky Sports, BBC, ESPN (whose football faction is controlled by English nationals), other former English football commentators who make their living in the US now, online versions of different English media outposts.....yeah, I think I get enough of it, thankyouverymuch.

Wow, you've seen the BBC, you must know it all then. Fact is the BBC is one of the more objective forms of media available in this country. Until you've read the tabloid newspapers every day for 10-20 years..until you've read the various mens magazines aimed at the gullible typical lagerlout footy fans, until you've heard the phone ins on radio 5 and talksport you know absolutely fuck all about the way our media behaves, and to be perfectly honest I highly doubt you'd sit and watch the bbc when you've got your own american channels.. it would be like me watching fox news or whatever - ain't gonna happen.

Now if you have something against England.. no wait let me rephrase that, I know you have something against England, and thats fine cos I ain't america's biggest fan either, but you're pitiful denial of what is as clear as daylight is nothing short of proposterous. Taking every possible opportunity to slag off the premiership, slag off the england footy team and "all I hate are the media and overoptimistic fans" - what bullshit! Go round hating on us all you bloody well like, but for the love of god stop playing the innocent schoolboy all the time, its not fooling anyone.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
I'm not here to talk with you about England or English football anymore. Forgive me from ignoring from this point.

If you ignore from this point on, you concede the point that we may in fact be correct in our "bigoted rants."

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


I just think they are setting the bar too high, it puts un-needed pressure on the team.

So should England go to the World cup not to win? Im sorry, I dont buy that. A team in the pedigree of England should be consistently aiming to win major honours. If the fans had a mediocre mentatility like inferior footballing nations do then they would for sure not win anything.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


So should England go to the World cup not to win? Im sorry, I dont buy that. A team in the pedigree of England should be consistently aiming to win major honours. If the fans had a mediocre mentatility like inferior footballing nations do then they would for sure not win anything.

Exactly, look at Argentina. Fans hate their NT and wont even go to the stadium to see them. No wonder why they choked on the last WC

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


So should England go to the World cup not to win? Im sorry, I dont buy that. A team in the pedigree of England should be consistently aiming to win major honours. If the fans had a mediocre mentatility like inferior footballing nations do then they would for sure not win anything.

I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying if you go in with the media on your back saying WE MUST WIN, that could cause some tension between the players and coaches/fans and FA.

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying if you go in with the media on your back saying WE MUST WIN, that could cause some tension between the players and coaches/fans and FA.

You quite simply. Don't get it. You should stop posting because posts like that are highlighting your stupidity.

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying if you go in with the media on your back saying WE MUST WIN, that could cause some tension between the players and coaches/fans and FA.

Its not as if the Media has headlines saying that. They are very supportive but then again very critical when England does not deliver. The mentality is to expect England to win, Just like Brazil, Italy, France and other Highest Teir footballing nations should aim for.

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


Its not as if the Media has headlines saying that. They are very supportive but then again very critical when England does not deliver. The mentality is to expect England to win, Just like Brazil, Italy, France and other Highest Teir footballing nations should aim for.

Exactly.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++

Wow, you've seen the BBC, you must know it all then. Fact is the BBC is one of the more objective forms of media available in this country. Until you've read the tabloid newspapers every day for 10-20 years..until you've read the various mens magazines aimed at the gullible typical lagerlout footy fans, until you've heard the phone ins on radio 5 and talksport you know absolutely fuck all about the way our media behaves, and to be perfectly honest I highly doubt you'd sit and watch the bbc when you've got your own american channels.. it would be like me watching fox news or whatever - ain't gonna happen.

Actually that is incorrect, I do enjoy watching the BBC in the United States as I am able to recieve a more worldly view on specific matters, and it also covers more specific events, such as the elections in Uzbekistan, than American media outlets usually give the story. As for the football media, I think I have seen enough of it to form my opinions, and of course I wouldn't even have a problem with the English media if it wasn't for there coverage, now would I? Always so quick to slag of the questions I pose with the same old statement "You dont live here, you dont know." I know enough about football and have seen enough coverage in the States to form a pretty decent opinion about the aforementioned subject.

Now if you have something against England.. no wait let me rephrase that, I know you have something against England, and thats fine cos I ain't america's biggest fan either, but you're pitiful denial of what is as clear as daylight is nothing short of proposterous. Taking every possible opportunity to slag off the premiership, slag off the england footy team and "all I hate are the media and overoptimistic fans" - what bullshit! Go round hating on us all you bloody well like, but for the love of god stop playing the innocent schoolboy all the time, its not fooling anyone.

So what if I do? Isn't that my opinion? Jaecole specifically stated I use my rants against English football to cover up my hate for the whole country...you cannot get more wrong than that. I don't hate all English players, only a select few who have been incredibly overrated and don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as other top footballers in this world (see Beckham and Owen). Sure, I admit it, I don't like them at all. However, if you keep thinking I have something against England and their players, you must have not seen me recently state my respect for players such as Terry and Lampard, both of which I was lucky enough to meet. I found respect for them taking time to greet fans after a long match and before a long trip home, and it was interesting to meet them. Now, why would someone who hates English players and England as a whole have a chat with two of their best players, shake hands with them, and say "good luck next season"? Surely a true hater of England would do something a bit more drastic.

Fact of the matter is I watch a lot of English football, 99% EPL, and if I hated everything about the subject I wouldn't watch the damn event. The fact of the matter is you cannot tell the difference between dislike for a whole country and dislike for a couple players and the media that overrates them. That is what you cannot get into your little noggin. It's also ridiculous to state I hate England after only a little criticism about their hopes and aspirations. "God, I really hate those bastards. They shouldn't have even won the WC once!" I mean seriously, where do you guys think up this stuff. Perhaps you're getting dislike for your nation and dislike for you confused..

 

[Tom]

Alright then, but if you're going to use that same old anecdote about Lampard and Terry save it for someone who cares! "A true hater of England would do something more drastic" - I think what you did is more about having common courtesy and an interest in football. Think about it, nobody is going to go up to them and call them English tossers or whatever, its not gonna heppen. Only one person knows if you hate England and thats you. However the way you go about posting on here makes it fairly easy to draw the conclusion I have.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's hard to understand why people do different things, especially when you take object to it. I stress again that I do not hate England as country, I do not hate them as a people, and I quite admire some of the aspects of their society. That said, some of the reason why I have such a negative attitude towards some aspects of English football is just because I can do nothing to change the bias and slant that is given in soccer reports here in the States that makes England out to stand above the rest of the world unjustifiably. It's one of those things that no matter what you do, you can never change. People will continue to believe everything the British and American soccer media tells them about the sport, and it indeed makes me mad. How do I release some of that anger? I take it out on a forum through discussion.

I have stated this several times before, and even Fli knows I take such actions to releave stress on this subject. But lets not forget, all that I say about this subject has truth behind it, and even in Burke's provocative post there are facts that people do not want to admit.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Seriously, I loved England when I was there, it is one of the best places I have ever been. But, I just do not like your style of football, that is it.

 

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