World War III edges closer..... (3 Viewers)

[Nenz]

it was certainly better when there were two super powers. America and Russia kept each other in check. Since the fall of the soviets America were free to do almost anything they liked. But where the difference lies is that, America would invade a country in order to liberate it from its oppressive leader (or oil, whatever you wish to think) but Russia, would only invade to occupy a country for the long term, use their resources, and spread Russian Nationalism throughout central asia and eastern europe. I'm not saying America are so much better, but at least they had 1 real reason/excuse to invade. MAKE AN EFFORT TO PLEASE THE UN RUSSIA!!!

 

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[sallyinzaghi]

But that's where the argument lies. One would say you would need the outside power (in most cases US) to liberate the people who are oppressed and are shot down everytime they retaliate against a dictator. Another would say that isn't necessary, that cultural differences exist and with time their revolution will start from within - let the country take care of itself.

The problem here is the two superpowers feel the need to spread and impose their influences and ideologies and there's always the hegemony factor. It's nothing but a race. And sadly will always be.

 

[Nenz]

thats definitely the case...
but you've got to look deeper to decide, its how they go about it that makes me choose one over the other.
The Georgian invasion is a good example of how Russia won't hesitate to do whatever they like and answer to no one. They also let Malisha do their dirty work for them while they pretend to be good and humane.
The US on the other hand at least answer to the UN. They do their best to show they are at least trying to comply and now they have been caught breaching the Geneva convention many figures are soon to be tried for war crimes IMO. So that shows they are more responsible then Russia.
I don't want to offend any Balkans/eastern Europeans, but many of your governments are malicious minded. Serbia ring some bells. Just some needless fighting, all in the name of Nationalism. Though i ask, why is this so? Russia in particular have almost no history of freedom or equality, their governments always poisoned by greed. The Romanov's ----> evil evil Communism ----> now an effective dictatorship posing as a democracy. So what is it that they are so nationalistic about. At least America have plenty of reasons to be so, even though i hate the super nationalistic American.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Realists would say that's just how the Russians are built - geopolitics and wars historically have always been central to their society thus making them rather violent in a sense.

 

[ReBeL]

it was certainly better when there were two super powers. America and Russia kept each other in check. Since the fall of the soviets America were free to do almost anything they liked. But where the difference lies is that, America would invade a country in order to liberate it from its oppressive leader (or oil, whatever you wish to think) but Russia, would only invade to occupy a country for the long term, use their resources, and spread Russian Nationalism throughout central asia and eastern europe. I'm not saying America are so much better, but at least they had 1 real reason/excuse to invade. MAKE AN EFFORT TO PLEASE THE UN RUSSIA!!!

thats definitely the case...
but you've got to look deeper to decide, its how they go about it that makes me choose one over the other.
The Georgian invasion is a good example of how Russia won't hesitate to do whatever they like and answer to no one. They also let Malisha do their dirty work for them while they pretend to be good and humane.
The US on the other hand at least answer to the UN. They do their best to show they are at least trying to comply and now they have been caught breaching the Geneva convention many figures are soon to be tried for war crimes IMO. So that shows they are more responsible then Russia.
I don't want to offend any Balkans/eastern Europeans, but many of your governments are malicious minded. Serbia ring some bells. Just some needless fighting, all in the name of Nationalism. Though i ask, why is this so? Russia in particular have almost no history of freedom or equality, their governments always poisoned by greed. The Romanov's ----> evil evil Communism ----> now an effective dictatorship posing as a democracy. So what is it that they are so nationalistic about. At least America have plenty of reasons to be so, even though i hate the super nationalistic American.

The UN is a rediculous joke, mate...Never was and will never be an effective organization. It is a way to impose the decisions of big countries on other countries, but when these big countries disagree with each other, nobody look at this silly UN.

Stop making USA appears as better than Russia. The two countries want to control others. Nobody care about the dummy UN and nobody want to liberate others.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

right on Rebel, but as far as treating its citizens russia is light years behind

 

[ReBeL]

right on Rebel, but as far as treating its citizens russia is light years behind

I agree on that.

 

[Seven]

Realists would say that's just how the Russians are built - geopolitics and wars historically have always been central to their society thus making them rather violent in a sense.

Come on, you can say the same thing about any country.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

not belgium

 

[Seven]

That's not true Bes. I can ridicule you with an historic analysis, but you don't deserve that because you're actually smart enough to know what's wrong with that statement of yours.

 

[David01]

he is a thought - Bush wants another war in order for Mc Cain to win the elections
Americans still have more faith in him if they have a major fear
a threath of war would do the trick, like one of the Republicans said earlier
It wouldn't be bad for his chances if there was another terrorist attack to help his chances- it definetly helped Bush before

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

That's not true Bes. I can ridicule you with an historic analysis, but you don't deserve that because you're actually smart enough to know what's wrong with that statement of yours.

thank you for understanding

 

[Nenz]

right on Rebel, but as far as treating its citizens russia is light years behind

right on...another reason why i choose the allies!
Rebel you may think the UN is rubbish. And i agree, it imposes almost no sanctions (at least that are effective). But, what it does do is at the very least, try and set a boundary for all countries (who polices the police?). Well luckily we have it, without it who knows what america would have attempted! They would have nothing to stop them!
Russia on the other hand doesn't even try what america are doing! They would rather oppose the opinion off all exterior governing bodies not even signaling that they acknowledge the idea!!
How sad, if everyone followed the Geneva Convention, whether you're Communist, Democrat, or a Dictatorship... it would still determine whether your actions are humane/proper or not. The US follow the idea at least, while the ex Soviets disregard any form on international police system.

 

[Nenz]

Come on, you can say the same thing about any country.

in the last 30 years (what i call a political renaissance)?? I think not, not very many countries by this time lacked at least a form of political freedom or an intent to acknowledge exterior or international sanctions! Think of italy, Britain, Germany!
At present, i certainly think otherwise. Sallyinzagih effectively agrees with my statement on eastern europeans (their malicious manner). I backed it up with examples and vague evidence, have a look and if you think i'm bullshitting then wikipedia that shit.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

when did the US start to follow the Geneva conventions?

 

[Nenz]

when they tried to make plausible excuses for entering the Iraq war and lied about Guantanamo bay

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

oh yeah, russia should definitely follow at least that

 

[Nenz]

i don't know if you're being serious or not. But yes, Russia made no effort to do the same after/during the Georgian invasion.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

yeah well, what's the difference? people are being detained and tortured in guantanamo and the US has invaded a sovereign state

 

[ReBeL]

yeah well, what's the difference? people are being detained and tortured in guantanamo and the US has invaded a sovereign state

Exactly...

In the end, both countries did the same exact thing regardless how romantic were their fake justifications...