Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (38 Viewers)

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Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Yeah lets field all these guys and prepare for another group stage exit next season :tup:
And then complain about how Conte is a pussy and how we need quality in the side to do well in CL
 

TheLaz

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Oct 6, 2011
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Yeah lets field all these guys and prepare for another group stage exit next season :tup:
And then complain about how Conte is a pussy and how we need quality in the side to do well in CL
You know what, i wouldn't mind us playing all three against the likes of Atalanta, Sampdoria, Udinese, Genoa, Cagliari, Sassuolo + the three newcomers to the league. But ofc that won't happen. And when there's a champion ready he should play. The point is that these players are good enough to play for either of the listed teams and therefore good enough to play against them for us. We need Tevez for CL vs Real Madrid, not for Serie A vs Cagliari. Get the point?
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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Well, we've succeeded pretty well in Europe with the Padoin - Peluso formula so far. Let's keep it.

People have to realize that if the kid is talented, it will only do him well to train everyday with the very best, and have opportunities to enter 2nd half and rotate.

But the most important is that this is stg the squad needs. It's not only for the youngsters' development, but for the squad. I don't wanna see no fucking Candreva being brought and overpayed only to see a guy who can't go further than he's gone so far.

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Every squad needs to be balanced. We need more youngsters, that's all. Talented guys who will bring hunger and pace from the bench and who can develop along with the club.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Well, we've succeeded pretty well in Europe with the Padoin - Peluso formula so far. Let's keep it.

People have to realize that if the kid is talented, it will only do him well to train everyday with the very best, and have opportunities to enter 2nd half and rotate.

But the most important is that this is stg the squad needs. It's not only for the youngsters' development, but for the squad. I don't wanna see no fucking Candreva being brought and overpayed only to see a guy who can't go further than he's gone so far.

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Every squad needs to be balanced. We need more youngsters, that's all. Talented guys who will bring hunger and pace from the bench and who can develop along with the club.
Nearly every iconic player will tell you that at his age, he needs games more then anyhing else.

When he can battle for first team, then he could improve further when training with good players around him

dont skip high school on the way to university, cause you only understand half of what the professor says, unless you are a genius, wich is relative to Pogba.
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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Nearly every iconic player will tell you that at his age, he needs games more then anyhing else.

When he can battle for first team, then he could improve further when training with good players around him

dont skip high school on the way to university, cause you only understand half of what the professor says, unless you are a genius, wich is relative to Pogba.
Is Jesé a genious? Or Alaba, or Pedro, or Fletcher (10yrs ago)...

You don't have to be a genious, this is a very conservative way of thinking. You have to be very talented and willing to learn. Not a genious.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Jese and Alaba are insanely talented players.Its not hard to see.
Plus Bayern sent Alaba on loan for game time before he became a regular for them.
Bayern and Barca have invested heavily in their youth academy hence quality talents are cropping up.
Juventus cant compare to them at this point.Thankfully we're doing a lot of recruitment internationally too so lets see if some interesting prospects crop up.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Is Jesé a genious? Or Alaba, or Pedro, or Fletcher (10yrs ago)...

You don't have to be a genious, this is a very conservative way of thinking. You have to be very talented and willing to learn. Not a genious.
Please dont respond like a women.


I am making a relative comparison. Comparing 18year old footballers to students. Most of the time, students need to pass high school to get to university. Just like most 18year olds, are lacking several key mental aspects to be competitive in the first team for a top club

Sometimes, there are genuis students, who manage to complete highschool in 1,2 or 3 years instead of 6 (belgium : highschool=13-18). Comparing back to football, indeed sometimes there are players who at a very young age allready got the mental development and consistancy to be competitive in their position at a top club.

Am i saying that those footballers are genuis ? offcourse not. Its a comparison.
 

Fellas

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Jun 13, 2005
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Is Jesé a genious? Or Alaba, or Pedro, or Fletcher (10yrs ago)...

You don't have to be a genious, this is a very conservative way of thinking. You have to be very talented and willing to learn. Not a genious.
Very true I agree with you. I don't know why some have the mentality that youngsters most be loaned out to get playing time to develop or else they won't succed. Look at Dortmund, Bayern,Barcelona or PL clubs. Many players have gone all the way throught the academy to a-team without never being loaned out. Xavi Iniesta train with great players, watched players like Guardiola, getting more och more playing time.

This thinking most be the Italian mentality. In England, Spain, Germany the mentality is very different. I rather have a talented 18-19 year old player then Peluso in the squad. Let him play in Coppa Italia, let him be subbed in matches, and if he is good and he is developing let him start against smaller teams in Serie A. I agree we should have a more balanced team.

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Please dont respond like a women.


I am making a relative comparison. Comparing 18year old footballers to students. Most of the time, students need to pass high school to get to university. Just like most 18year olds, are lacking several key mental aspects to be competitive in the first team for a top club


Sometimes, there are genuis students, who manage to complete highschool in 1,2 or 3 years instead of 6 (belgium : highschool=13-18). Comparing back to football, indeed sometimes there are players who at a very young age allready got the mental development and consistancy to be competitive in their position at a top club.



Am i saying that those footballers are genuis ? offcourse not. Its a comparison.
It's a question about mentality in the team. Dortmund, Bayern, Barcelona isen't miles a head from us and other teams when it comes to talents. Other teams have great primavera teams. Inters youngsters won Champions Leauge, where are these players now? Barcelona know how to develop youngsters yes, but they also have trust in them. Ofcourse all can't succed.

I believe the mentality to use youngsters most change in Italy, look at Germany, Spain, England
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Dortmund is having a lucky generation after how many years of mediocrity ?
Bayern, has an excellent generation with Kroos and Muller. But how long has it been since they had such talent trough the yought ranks ?
Barcelona, is purchasing loads of promising kids around the world, and ditches nearly every single one of them. I dont call that vision.

Inter youngsters won the CL ?

The best players were Sneijder, Eto'o, Milito, Motta, Cambiasso, Maicon, Samuel, Lucio. Those werent really youngsters :D

Lets look at england. Sure, what is Lukaku doing ?
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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has anyone thought about what would the best position for Sanchez be? i know he can play SS/LW/RW, but how good would he be as a AM in a 4-2-3-1? for example, if we had Di Maria at the right side and Cuadrado on the left, we could put Sanchez in the middle behind Tevez/Llorente. if i remember correctly, he was very average for Udinese for 2-3 years, then they moved him to the middle behind Di Natale and he became a 35M player in just one season. so, if we had already 2 top wingers besides Sanchez, could he be the one to play central? i mean a last seasons Muller role where he would run up and down constantly, press, run behind the back of the defense, everything Muller is good for but with more technique. could he be used that way? :D
 
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has anyone thought about what would the best position for Sanchez be? i know he can play SS/LW/RW, but how good would he be as a AM in a 4-2-3-1? for example, if we had Di Maria at the right side and Cuadrado on the left, we could put Sanchez in the middle behind Tevez/Llorente. if i remember correctly, he was very average for Udinese for 2-3 years, then they moved him to the middle behind Di Natale and he became a 35M player in just one season. so, if we had already 2 top wingers besides Sanchez, could he be the one to play central? i mean a last seasons Muller role where he would run up and down constantly, press, run behind the back of the defense, everything Muller is good for but with more technique. could he be used that way? :D
I'm sorry but you are dreaming too much. It will be difficult to get Nani and Sanchez at that, but you want Sanchez, Di maria and Cuadrado, play some fifa.

If Sanchez comes he will play as a rw.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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If we get Sanchez and Nani without selling a current starter, it would be the best mercato an italian team had in the past decade.

If we can add pereyra to that list, then even Moggi would be impressed as fuck
 

Juventino[RUS]

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Mar 9, 2006
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has anyone thought about what would the best position for Sanchez be? i know he can play SS/LW/RW, but how good would he be as a AM in a 4-2-3-1? for example, if we had Di Maria at the right side and Cuadrado on the left, we could put Sanchez in the middle behind Tevez/Llorente. if i remember correctly, he was very average for Udinese for 2-3 years, then they moved him to the middle behind Di Natale and he became a 35M player in just one season. so, if we had already 2 top wingers besides Sanchez, could he be the one to play central? i mean a last seasons Muller role where he would run up and down constantly, press, run behind the back of the defense, everything Muller is good for but with more technique. could he be used that way? :D
He never played on these position in Barcelona, he is no way trequartista, he is limited rightwinger
 

Fellas

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Jun 13, 2005
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Dortmund is having a lucky generation after how many years of mediocrity ?
Bayern, has an excellent generation with Kroos and Muller. But how long has it been since they had such talent trough the yought ranks ?
Barcelona, is purchasing loads of promising kids around the world, and ditches nearly every single one of them. I dont call that vision.

Inter youngsters won the CL ?

The best players were Sneijder, Eto'o, Milito, Motta, Cambiasso, Maicon, Samuel, Lucio. Those werent really youngsters :D

Lets look at england. Sure, what is Lukaku doing ?
Yes Inters youngsters won Nextgen Series Youth Champions League, their Primavera team :D. It was just an argument that Italy does have some good academys. But we don't use it as good as other teams in other countries.

Not so long for Bayern, schweinsteiger, Lahm, is from their academy, you can add Badstuber and Alaba to your list

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When did we get Tevez last summer? It was before July right?
In the end of June
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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I'm sorry but you are dreaming too much. It will be difficult to get Nani and Sanchez at that, but you want Sanchez, Di maria and Cuadrado, play some fifa.

If Sanchez comes he will play as a rw.
i didnt say we can get them all :D. i asked what would be his best position if we had 2 other top wingers besides Sanchez. if we had Sanchez, Tevez, 2 other top wingers we would have 4 players that must play, so in that case where would Sanchez play when the other 2 are best when used wide, and Sanchez played his best games when used central. i think he would make a great AM/SS in a 4-2-3-1...
 
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