whos a fan and whos a glory hunter? (1 Viewer)

[gray]

well its like you always have a "backup plan", if italy fails, you choose czechs-s, if they fail you choose australia or korea or etc, eventually/or hopefully in your case, one of those teams will do well in world cup.

As I said though, it's plain for all to see that I have no association with those nations. I can't rub it in anyone's face or run around the streets cheering if those teams win... I just "can't help it" that I like those teams.

Obviously I'll be gutted if Korea and Australia both have shocking tournaments, and it won't quite be the same supporting Italy or the Czechs... but then again, doesn't everyone have a 'backup plan' in football tournaments? I'm not ashamed to admit that I was cheering for Barcelona in the CL final (even though half of that was simply because I despise Arsenal). It obviously wasn't anything like cheering for Juventus, and I never claim to be a Barca fan, but I think it's inevitable (okay maybe not inevitable... very common) to have 'second favourites'.

 

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[Sicilian Juve]

Loyality is the key.....Through hard & good times you stand firmly to your club.....

I agree. This scandel will be very telling. Read my signiture "Viva Juve" Juve forever!

 

[Snoop]

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2nd one yes?? not everyone is rich you know? some people can't travel all the distance and spend that money to see a juve game.

 

[HelterSkelter]

i think its down to the loyalty.sure,people who live in turin or have seen the team playing in the stadium have seen juventus in a better way than the ones who have not,but that does not mean that they are greater or more loyal fans.they've just experienced something that the others are unfortunate not to have experienced.its not that they dont WANT to see the team upclose,its just that they havent had the chance to do so due to financial limitations or any other reason.

what counts in imo,if you support the team in tough times like the current ones.if you change your priorites simply because you dont want to support a team that isnt challenging for the league or any other trophy anylonger,then you're a glory hunter.otherwise you're a loyal fan.

and anyway,loyalty is a personal issue.i dont think anyone has the right to raise a finger and accuse someone of being a glory hunter.the person himself would know best,not the people pointing fingers at him.

 

[Geof]

-is it necessary for a true fan to be living in or having some link to the city his favourite club is from?

It's not necessary, but it's better. Supporting a club is not only supporting the 11 lads on the pitch. You've got to know the culture, the myths, the roots of your club.

-is someone who has never seen his team play in a stadium not a true fan?

The more you go to the stadium, the more you feel your team. Watching the highlights or even catching a live broadcasting isn't the same. You don't experience the atmosphere, the tension in and around the stadium.
The more you're a fan, the more you'll go the stadium. That makes someone who has never set a foot in Delle Alpi lesser of a fan than the season-ticket holder.
Yet it doesn't make him a gloryhunter;

-is supporting a national team other than your own country 'glory hunting'?

Supporting? yes, definately. You may 'like' another NT, but what are you gonna do when both teams face each other?

-is supporting multiple teams glory hunting?

You can cheer for more that one team, but if your heart is torn between teams, it means ou don't really love any of them.

 

[3pac]

You can say whatever you want, but going to the Delle Alpi is to juventini what going to Mekka is for muslims. In the end you'll have to. You can't be a fan and not having watched a single game. It's retarded.

And if you can't afford it?

(Doesn't apply to me, I've already been, and plan to go again)

 

[3pac]

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So I'm not allowed to have a favorite football team, because there is no professional team within 300 miles?

 

[swag]

So I'm not allowed to have a favorite football team, because there is no professional team within 300 miles?

Nope. Sorry. Football Nazi says, "No football for you!"

Just be glad you don't have dual citizenship, or you'd be forced to violate rules #3 and #4.

It sucks, but that's the rules. It sucks to be you.

 

[Seven]

And if you can't afford it?

(Doesn't apply to me, I've already been, and plan to go again)

I'm not saying you're not a fan if you can't go, just that you haven't had the entire experience. How can you fully support a team you haven't even seen once?

 

[Snoop]

I'm not saying you're not a fan if you can't go, just that you haven't had the entire experience. How can you fully support a team you haven't even seen once?

by buying Official products instead

 

[Geof]

by buying Official products instead

that's just not the same.
I understand you might be proud when wearing your official Juve jersey, but shouting, singing and jumping with thousands of other Juventini, while the players are down there fighting for a win is the ultimate supporting experience.

 

[Snoop]

that's just not the same.
I understand you might be proud when wearing your official Juve jersey, but shouting, singing and jumping with thousands of other Juventini, while the players are down there fighting for a win is the ultimate supporting experience.

I know the feeling very well, I was lucky to have the experience. it's fantastic to be there in Torino supporting them, but what I am saying that people who can't spend all that money just to see a Juve game, are not any less fan. this dream cost me more than 2K euros, it's not like Europe here, ofcourse I wouldn't miss the big games (spcially) If I could have the ability to spend that money, and the time ofcourse.

but When you buy Official products, that surely makes you a true fan also, other than those mentioned..

 

[PhRoZeN]

I agree with the views that loyalty is a must, win lose or draw, never leave the team. Anyway heres my answers..

Q. is it necessary for a true fan to be living in or having some link to the city his favourite club is from?

A. Nop not necessary at all, I live in UK, I have however been lucky enough to goto the stadio delle alpi as a 9 year old to watch my first ever football match. I have since seen Juve at England three times, I have had an autograph signed by del piero in the airport but I aint boasting, and neither am I saying I am a better fan. I have no other link to turin, or italy as a whole, I certainly dont believe any fan should be judged on how good fan they are by where they are from and whether they have some relation to the city itself.. its ridicolous in my eyes. Many fans all over teh world help Juve their support of Juve by buying their merchandise and in a way helping to pay some of the players wages.. some even cry there hearts out for the team during hard times by living thousands of miles away, so much more than a juve fan possibly living in turin.

Q. is someone who has never seen his team play in a stadium not a true fan?

A. I kind of answered that above, but once again NO, why? because as humans we face many trials in life which are crucial to our survival. Those who live in poor countries dont even get a chance to see juve every week or even every month but nevertheless somehow still get some opportunity to even read about it and smile when they hear that their team has won, or feel sad when we lose.. despite the fact that he/she has possibly only got enough for bread to spend, he/she takes their upmost savings to spend it on, a newspaper to just read about there beloved club, Should we judge this fan, who dearly loves his club that if he was faced with more information wouldnt hesitate to step back in striving his love for teh club? Absolutely not.


Q. is supporting a national team other than your own country 'glory hunting'?

A. Well if the answer is yes then I am a glory hunter, my views are simple, I live in England, some would say I should support them but to be honest, I dont like the way they play, I certainly dont like the english arrogance in football e.t.c if they win or lose, it doesnt matter too much although then again I may be known for supporting teams that play against England. Football is a global support I dont believe a location should reduce a supporter to his entitlement of who he/she should support. Once again if he/she is loyal to that specfic club/country then hell he theres something wrong with those glory tantrum naming fans.

Q. is supporting multiple teams glory hunting?

A. Theres only one team and realistically the answer is no simple as. I personally like watching other teams and as stated on my profile have certainly liked them. However I have never bought a merchandise, never seen then and never openly declared that I ever totally support them. I do however like them, there is no love, but only like. I would also like to mention at this point that there are times when any fan would support a team who who are playing against a team they hate. This is usually match based supporting and im sure most of the Juve fans on this board and all over did exactly that when liverpool took on ac milan last year. That is a different type of supporting and doesnt entirely mean you support the team therefore although teh definition may be slightly complicated it does however mean that you remain loyal, and only choose one and for me thats for Juve. Juve till I die. Forza Juve!

Finally I agree with someones views earliar that really who are we to judge? I mean I personally dont like the fact that we should go out there and start bashing each other about our loyalty, Im quite certain there will be some glory supporters in here or out there but nevertheless I really dont see the point in trying to go out there and find them, they will go and they will be easy to spot. Sometimes I think some people are just out there to find them for a living when in reality they may need to look at themselves and maybe express more concern for their club...

 

[Lilianna]

GREAT post

 

[flieeeekke]

2nd one yes?? not everyone is rich you know? some people can't travel all the distance and spend that money to see a juve game.

the point of supporting is going with the team and supporting them in the stadium. if you're watching them on telly, thats just not the same, is it?

 

[flieeeekke]

And if you can't afford it?

(Doesn't apply to me, I've already been, and plan to go again)

then you're not really a fan, you're a follower.

these are fans:

this one is not

 

[PhRoZeN]

the point of supporting is going with the team and supporting them in the stadium. if you're watching them on telly, thats just not the same, is it?

Of course it isnt, but TV rights make a hell a lot of revenue for clubs, infact at times its even more than an average fan would make for a club by actually going there. Lets face it we barely have enough supporters going to stadio delle alpi for a almost a half a dozen years.. if this really is the case then I would say majority of if not all of the Juve fans are glory supporters.

BTW. I just recognised that at the top of the screen it says "Juventuz Forums, for all Juve fans Worldwide". I think even the admin designing this site had a clear view in his head of what a fan is and what isnt a fan..

Also I just thought Id look up the meaning of a fan.. and this is what I got from dictionary.com

"An Ardent Devotee or Enthusiast". There is obvious no reference to a person who sees his team via stadium or TV. But rather three key words, Ardent which could also mean passionate (or someone who develops a warm feeling inside of him/her), devotee someone who is regarded as loyal and dedicates his time.. (which can be in anyway, tv, radio, or see them) and finally enthusiast. The ideal difference between a follower and fan is the word Ardent or passionate, how do we actually know whether a person is ardent about a team without going to watch a football match due to possibly external circumstances is beyond me..

 

[flieeeekke]

my main point that word "fan" is used too freely.

"i saw juve for the first time when they lost in the final of the cl. that doesnt make me a glory hunter, because they lost. i will stay with juve even in serie c because i love them"

well fuck me, that it bollocks. most of the people didnt even see juve finnishing outside the top three in serie a, have no idea what would it be to follow them in lower leagues, or even how would it be if we wouldnt win anything for ten years or more etc. what makes them fans? nothing imo. i'm very sorry that someone doesnt have money to eat everyday, not to mention go see playing juve live. life's a bitch, but he isnt a fan.

 

[Seven]

my main point that word "fan" is used too freely.

"i saw juve for the first time when they lost in the final of the cl. that doesnt make me a glory hunter, because they lost. i will stay with juve even in serie c because i love them"

well fuck me, that it bollocks. most of the people didnt even see juve finnishing outside the top three in serie a, have no idea what would it be to follow them in lower leagues, or even how would it be if we wouldnt win anything for ten years or more etc. what makes them fans? nothing imo. i'm very sorry that someone doesnt have money to eat everyday, not to mention go see playing juve live. life's a bitch, but he isnt a fan.

Though if someone like me for instance would keep on following Juventus and at occasions go watch Juventus live even though they're in Serie B, I think I'd qualify as a fan.

 

[3pac]

Nope. Sorry. Football Nazi says, "No football for you!"

Just be glad you don't have dual citizenship, or you'd be forced to violate rules #3 and #4.

It sucks, but that's the rules. It sucks to be you.

I Do have dual citizenship (english/american)