Who will win euro 2004 (3 Viewers)

[Gino]

Rickenbacker2 says-->especially with the current score-line.

ok kluivert ,ruud and pier and van der vaart

but better than

CRISTIAN VIERI, FRANCESCO TOTTI, PIPPO INZAGHI,MARCO DI VAIO

AND ALESSANDRO DELPIERO??? i don't think so

 

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[Gino]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++



IF being the key word here Ian. Personaly, I dont think they'll do it, they have Del Piero's consistency

goat you rule like alessandro delpiero

and usa juventini YEA SAY IT MAN BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST THA MAN!!!!!

Forza noi

ITALIA E FORTE E VINCERA!!!!!!

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Gino ] ++
Rickenbacker2 says-->especially with the current score-line.

ok kluivert ,ruud and pier and van der vaart

but better than

CRISTIAN VIERI, FRANCESCO TOTTI, PIPPO INZAGHI,MARCO DI VAIO

AND ALESSANDRO DELPIERO??? i don't think so

You forgot about Roy Makaay and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. Let's compare:

RVN vs. Bobbo: Tie
VDV vs. Totti: Tie
Hasselbaink vs. Di Vaio: Hasselbaink (he's been amazing this year)
Makaay vs. Inzaghi: Makaay (that's ano-brainer)
Kluivert vs. Del Piero: Del Piero
Van Hooijdonk vs. Cassano: Van Hooiijdonk (much better at set pieces and passing)

Holland wins the battle of the strikers, especially considering that Holland's midfield is far superior to Italy's. However, Italy easily has the superior defence, so it would definitely be a great match, but IMO holland would win (judging by current form of both teams).

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
IF being the key word here Ian. Personaly, I dont think they'll do it, they have Del Piero's consistency

:LOL: that's a good one, but I guess we will have to wait and see. You never know, this could be the one...

 

[ebraheej]

++ [ originally posted by Gino ] ++
then birri and di biaggio's hard kick in tha NET!!!

I think you mean pessotto instead of birri

 

[ebraheej]

VDV-Totti-------totti (more experience better passing and vision)
Van hoojdonk and cassano---cassano

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
VDV-Totti-------totti (more experience better passing and vision)
Van hoojdonk and cassano---cassano

Totti may have more experience, but he does not have better visoin or better passing. I made it a tie because VDV is a much better finisher, but Totti does have more experience. How much have you seen of the two? I've not heard many people rate VDV's vision lower that Totti (who IMO has very poor vision for a playmaker).

As for Van Hooijdonk vs. Cassano, Pierre has much much more experience, he is a much better passer, and he has amazing free kick ability. Cassano has none of these things. Cassano only beats Pierre in terms of finishing from the run of play, but Pierre's other qualities far outweigh that particualr "deficiency", though he is still a good finisher in general, just not quiite as good as Cassano.

Also, Holland has Van der Meyde who can transform himself into an amazing striker, combining blistering pace with great shooting. Italy doesn't have anybody like that. Overmars also can move up to the forward position...

 

[Zlatan]

Also, lets compare the midfield line and defense too, I'm not so sure Holland is better in midfield.

 

[Gino]

RVN vs. Bobbo: tie???? lol Vieri scores alot with italy rvn??? nop only today
VDV vs. Totti:totti bay FARRRR man were you serieusly???
Hasselbaink vs. Di Vaio: Hasselbaink (he's been amazing this year)????? and divaio not??? man are you wathing soccer bihint the tv????
Makaay vs. Inzaghi: Makaay (that's ano-brainer)?? yea you really do man you cant say makaay is better than inzaghi
Kluivert vs. Del Piero: Del Piero finaly one right
Van Hooijdonk vs. Cassano: Van Hooiijdonk (much better at set pieces and passing) and ho is saying its cassano??? its fabrizio miccoli and miccoli is better


and ebraheej yea you right sorry it was pessotto

 

[Martin]

Who will win Euro 2004? At the moment I would put my money on France or the Czechs.

 

[Gino]

france czechs ore italy no one else gowing to win this cup

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
Also, lets compare the midfield line and defense too, I'm not so sure Holland is better in midfield.

Let's talk about midfield service, who does Italy have that can provide good service: ummmmm...Pirlo, Perrotta, and Camo..that's not exactly world-beating. Holland has: Sneijder, Seedorf, Van der Meyde, Robben, RDB, Zenden, and Cocu. Holland can even match in defensive midfield (in terms of quality, not quantity.) Van Bommel, Davids, Cocu, or Paul Bosvelt could match any of Italy's D-mids.

As for the defense, of course Italy wins that. Zamby, Canna, Nesta, and Oddo are much better than anybody that Holand could field, though Stam is proably about as good as Nesta (my own opinion).

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Gino ] ++
RVN vs. Bobbo: tie???? lol Vieri scores alot with italy rvn??? nop only today
VDV vs. Totti:totti bay FARRRR man were you serieusly???
Hasselbaink vs. Di Vaio: Hasselbaink (he's been amazing this year)????? and divaio not??? man are you wathing soccer bihint the tv????
Makaay vs. Inzaghi: Makaay (that's ano-brainer)?? yea you really do man you cant say makaay is better than inzaghi
Kluivert vs. Del Piero: Del Piero finaly one right
Van Hooijdonk vs. Cassano: Van Hooiijdonk (much better at set pieces and passing) and ho is saying its cassano??? its fabrizio miccoli and miccoli is better


and ebraheej yea you right sorry it was pessotto

Oh come on mate, RVN is at least at good as Vieri. He's commonly acknowledged as the best striker in the game today, and the statistics support it. Have you seen VDV play? If you have then you wouldn't say that Totti is so much better. Alright so maybe Hasselbaink and Di Vaio is a tie. You are off you rocker iff you think that Inzaghi is better than Makaay. That's just so ridiculous I can't even tell you. Inzaghi is a tap-in player. Makaay is a complete striker. There's no comparison really, Makaay is so much better. How can you say that Miccoli is better than Van Hooijdonk, he's not even better than Cassano! Miccoli is niether a good finisher nor can he take good freekicks. Pierre is a much better passer than him and Pierre has much more experience there too. I think that you're not being fair to the dutch players here. IT's a lot closer than you make it seem.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++


Let's talk about midfield service, who does Italy have that can provide good service: ummmmm...Pirlo, Perrotta, and Camo..that's not exactly world-beating. Holland has: Sneijder, Seedorf, Van der Meyde, Robben, RDB, Zenden, and Cocu. Holland can even match in defensive midfield (in terms of quality, not quantity.) Van Bommel, Davids, Cocu, or Paul Bosvelt could match any of Italy's D-mids.

As for the defense, of course Italy wins that. Zamby, Canna, Nesta, and Oddo are much better than anybody that Holand could field, though Stam is proably about as good as Nesta (my own opinion).

I dont agree with Zenden, Cocu and Ronald de Boer, while I'm not so sure about Sneijder and Robben as I havent seen them play obviously, but IMO Italy's midfield with Fiore on the left, Camo on the right, Gatusso in the centre and Totti as the playmaker could match them.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
I dont agree with Zenden, Cocu and Ronald de Boer, while I'm not so sure about Sneijder and Robben as I havent seen them play obviously, but IMO Italy's midfield with Fiore on the left, Camo on the right, Gatusso in the centre and Totti as the playmaker could match them.

Sneijder was amazing today, and since when is Fiore playing left sided midfield for Italy? Maybe Cocu, Zendedn and RDB aren't the best players, but they can certainly prvodie better service than Tommasi or C. Zanetti. Andy Van der Meyde is far superior to Camo (especially when playing for the NT). I don't think that you can really say that Italy has a midfield capable of delivery the kind of service that Holland's can. Also, Holland has so much more depth in the attacking end of midfield, Italy would be shit outta luck if Totti went down.

 

[Zlatan]

Like I said, I havent seen Sneijder and Robben play, altho I have heard they are great talents. AFAIK Fiore can play on the left, and combined with Zambrotta (yes I know you'll say he's a back, but considering he attacks through the left I think its only fair to include him in the midfield) the left wing could be deadly. Also, both Camo and Mico can play on the right in the 4-2-3-1, and with that kinda lineup I think they do have decent service, maybe not better than Hollands but not much worse either.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
Like I said, I havent seen Sneijder and Robben play, altho I have heard they are great talents. AFAIK Fiore can play on the left, and combined with Zambrotta (yes I know you'll say he's a back, but considering he attacks through the left I think its only fair to include him in the midfield) the left wing could be deadly. Also, both Camo and Mico can play on the right in the 4-2-3-1, and with that kinda lineup I think they do have decent service, maybe not better than Hollands but not much worse either.

Come on mate, you're comparing Fiore and Camo to Van der Meyde and Overmars on the wings. Van der Meyde is way better than Camo, and Fiore isn't playing for the NT, he hasn't for a long time IIRC. You can't just put him in there like he does. As for Zambrotta's attacking, I'd say it's pretty good, but he doesn't contribute to the attack any more than Frank De Boer. FDB's long passing is still excellent and that's a great spring board for holland's attacks.

 

[Zlatan]

You didnt include Overmars before so I forgot about him

Also, I dont rate VdM as highly as you do, so I'd take Camo before him, altho we all know how Camo can completely screw up sometimes. Also, you cant compare Zambrotta and De Boer, long passing is one thing, and making crazy ass dribbling runs down the left and them making great crosses is completely another.

 

[flieeeekke]

latvia will win. they already made feel ashamed to be lithuanian. they'll make even worse.
one win will take them to playoffs, 2 penalty shoot out wins in quarters and semis and disastrous goal against desperate france in the final. and cup is theirs.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
You didnt include Overmars before so I forgot about him

Also, I dont rate VdM as highly as you do, so I'd take Camo before him, altho we all know how Camo can completely screw up sometimes. Also, you cant compare Zambrotta and De Boer, long passing is one thing, and making crazy ass dribbling runs down the left and them making great crosses is completely another.

Well, Camo isn't fast, nor does he shoot well, and his crosses are good, but not excellent, so he's not great. VDM on the other hand is superfast, has a good shot, crosses like a champ, and is probably in the top three right wingers int he world right now. I can only think of one that you could possibly consider better at the moment.

As for a comparison between FDB and Zamby, I think it's fair. I mean they each repressent the most viable attacking optin out of their respective back-lines. FDB gets a significant number of assists from his passing and Zamby gets assists from his runs. The methods differ, but the results are similar. The point is that Zamby's offensive contributions are balanced by FDB's.