Iffhs: The best clubs since 1991; Barca, Juventus and Milan (1 Viewer)

[Zé Tahir]

Iffhs Dal 1991 Barca miglior club, anche Juve e Milan sul podio

15:38 del 31 gennaio

Barcellona, Juventus, Milan. E' questo il podio dei migliori club del mondo dal 1991 a oggi, secondo l'Iffhs (Istituto di storia e statistica del calcio), che ha calcolato tutti i risultati ottenuti nei campionati, nelle coppe nazionali ed europee delle sei confederazioni continentali e della Fifa. Per l'Iffhs il periodo compreso tra il 1872 e il 1990 non è stato preso in considerazioni perchè non sono valutabili in maniera oggettiva le differenze fra i vari tornei nazionali e internazionali. In base alle valutazioni degli ultimi 15 anni, quindi, i blaugrana si piazzano al primo posto della classifica davanti a Juventus e Milan. A seguire Manchester United e Real Madrid a pari merito, quindi Bayern Monaco, Inter, Arsenal, River Plate e Ajax. All'11esimo posto il Parma, premiato per i successi ottenuti sotto la gestione dei Tanzi, 17esima la Lazio, 22esima la Roma.

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Iffhs From 1991 Boat best club, also Juve and Milan

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podium Barcelona, Juventus, Milan. And 'this the podium of the better club of the world from 1991 to today, according to the iffhs (Institute of story and statistics of the soccer), that has calculating all of the results obtained in the championships, in the national cups and European of six continental confederations and of the Fifa. For the iffhs the period included between 1872 and 1990 was not taken in consideration because is not calculable in objective manner the differences between the varied national and international tournaments. In base to the evaluations of the last 15 years, therefore, the blaugrana place themselves to the first place of the listing before Juventus and Milan. To follow Manchester United and Real Madrid to equal merit, therefore Bayern Monk, Inter, Arsenal, River Plate and Ajax. All'11esimo I post the Parma, rewarded for the success obtained under the management of the Tanzi, 17esima the Lazio, 22esima the Rome.

 

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[HelterSkelter]

Without being biased,i think Juventus should top that list.We reached more European finals than any of them and won more leagues than Barcelona and Milan in the given period period.Though i think Manchester United won more leages than us in that period.Either way,how Barcelona can even make the top 3 is beyond me.

It should be Juventus,Milan and Real Madrid/Manchester United IMO.

 

[ReBeL]

Here is the whole thing:

All-Time Club World Ranking (since 1.1.1991)


An All-time Club World Ranking can only be meaningful and useful if it can be determined by taking account all the results of the national championships, the national cup competitions, the club competitions of the six continental confederations and the FIFA. It is therefore only possible to determine an All-time Club World Ranking from January 1st, 1991 – when the Club World Ranking began taking all these details into consideration.

The period from 1872 to 1990 can only be asssessed subjectively, mostly by using national and international champions as a guide. It follows that teams placed in the individual competitions cannot be taken into consideration, even if their titles were won easily or in spite of many defeats. It is simply not possible to establish a basis for giving all participating clubs an equal opportunity for the period 1872 to 1990.

The IFFHS has therefore has decided, logically, that the All-time Club World Ranking should be determined from January 1st, 1991 using the annual Club World Ranking (the situation at 31st December annually). For this it will take into consideration the „Top 25 Clubs“, annually and award them points from 25 points for the top club down to 1 point for the club in 25th place. Adding the points from the individual years for each club will provide the All-time Club World Ranking.

1. FC Barcelona España 270
2. Juventus FC Torino Italia 235
3. Milan AC Italia 224
4. Manchester United FC England 218
Real Madrid CF España 218
6. FC Bayern München Deutschland 197
7. FC Internazionale Milano Italia 186
8. Arsenal FC London England 180
9. CA River Plate Buenos Aires Argentina 155
10. AFC Ajax Amsterdam Nederland 126
11. Parma AC Italia 123
12. FC do Porto Portugal 122
13. CA Boca Juniors Buenos Aires Argentina 117
14. São Paulo FC Brasil 115
15. Chelsea FC London England 111
16. Liverpool FC England 107
17. Valencia CF España 99
18. SS Lazio Roma Italia 98
19. Paris Saint-Germain FC France 96
20. Club Atlético de Madrid España 83
21. Glasgow Rangers FC Scotland 82
22. AS Roma Italia 77
23. Real Club Deportivo de La Coruña España 75
24. Spartak Moscow Russia 69
25. AS de Monaco France 67
26. BV Borussia Dortmund Deutschland 66
CSD Colo Colo Santiago Chile 66
SE Palmeiras São Paulo Brasil 66
29. Galatasaray SK İstanbul Türkiye 54
30. Grêmio de Foot-Ball Porto-Alegrense Brasil 53
31. Glasgow Celtic FC Scotland 52
Olympique Lyonnais France 52
33. Torino Calcio Italia 51
34. Club Brugge KV Belgique 49
35. AJ Auxerroise France 48
36. SV Werder Bremen Deutschland 47
37. Sport Lisboa e Benfica Portugal 46
38. CD América Cali Colombia 43
39. Santos FC Brasil 42
40. Olympique de Marseille France 39
41. Cruzeiro EC Belo Horizonte Brasil 38
TSV Bayer Leverkusen Deutschland 38
43. RSC Anderlecht Belgique 37
44. CA Vélez Sarsfield Argentina 36
45. CR Vasco da Gama Rio de Janeiro Brasil 34
46. FC Olímpia Asunción Paraguay 33
47. Newcastle United FC England 30
Real Zaragoza CD España 30
49. FC Schalke 04 Deutschland 29
50. FC de Nantes France 28
51. Sevilla FC España 25
52. Feyenoord Rotterdam Nederland 24
FK Crvena zvezda Beograd Serbia 24
54. Villarreal CF España 24
55. AC Sparta Praha Česká Republika 23
56. Leeds United AFC England 22
PSV Eindhoven Nederland 22
Real Club Deportivo Mallorca España 22
Sampdoria UC Genova Italia 22
60. CR Flamengo Rio de Janeiro Brasil 21
CSKA Moscow Russia 21
62. CDC Atlético Nacional Medellín Colombia 20
63. Dinamo Kiev Ukraina 18
Real Betis Balompié España 18
65. SC Internacional Porto Alegre Brasil 17
66. CA Peñarol Montevideo Uruguay 16
FC Rapid Bucureşti România 16
Tottenham Hotspur FC England 16
69. FC Girondins de Bordeaux France 15
VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach Deutschland 15
71. Bologna Calcio Italia 14
CA San Lorenzo de Almagro Buenos Aires Argentina 14
Lille Olympique Sporting Club France 14
SC Corinthians Paulista São Paulo Brasil 14
75. CD Universidad Católica Santiago Chile 13
Newell's Old Boys Rosario Argentina 13
77. AZ Alkmaar Nederland 12
CF América Ciudad de México México 12
Genoa 1893 Italia 12
Real Club Celta de Vigo España 12
81. AC Firenze Italia 11
Everton FC England 11
83. AEK Athens Greece 10
Club Nacional de Football Montevideo Uruguay 10
RCD Espanyol Barcelona España 10
86. Racing Club de Strasbourg France 9
87. Lokomotiv Moscow Russia 7
Shakhtyor Donetsk Ukraina 7
SK SIGMA Olomouc Serbia 7
Steaua Bucureşti România 7
US Citta di Palermo Italia 7
92. SK Slavia Praha Česká Republika 6
93. Club Atlético Morelia México 5
Racing Club Genk Belgique 5
95. CA Mineiro Belo Horizonte Brasil 4
Cerro Porteño FBC Asunción Paraguay 4
Fluminense FC Rio de Janeiro Brasil 4
Karlsruher SC Deutschland 4
99. FC Basel Schweiz 3
100. Beşiktaş SK İstanbul Türkiye 2
CA Banfield Argentina 2
CA Independiente Avellaneda Argentina 2
CA Lanús Argentina 2
CD Once Caldas Manizales Colombia 2
Club Deportivo Guadalajara México 2
VfB Stuttgart Deutschland 2
107. AD São Caetano Brasil 1
Boavista FC Porto Portugal 1
Club Libertad Asunción Paraguay 1

 

[Marc]

Barcelona won 2 CL titles and 8 domestic titles since 1991.

Now I don´t know how can somebody doubt their place in the top 3? For example, Juventus won 1 CL title and 5 domestic titles (given that 2 of them were revoked).

Even Milan won 2 CL titles and 6 domestic titles since 1991, so IMO Milan was more succesful than us.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

dont forget,we won world cup

that means 100 points

JUVENTUS=BEST

 

[Omair]

Barcelona won 2 CL titles and 8 domestic titles since 1991.

Now I don´t know how can somebody doubt their place in the top 3? For example, Juventus won 1 CL title and 5 domestic titles (given that 2 of them were revoked).

Even Milan won 2 CL titles and 6 domestic titles since 1991, so IMO Milan was more succesful than us.

sorry mate, we won 7 and got 2 revoked. Remember what Coboli said about DP ?? that he should've had 7 Scuds under his belt (( a terrorist he is )) ..

1 UCL, 1 UEFA cup, 1 UEFA super, and anIntercontinental cup
1 Italian cup, 4 Italian Supers and finally 1 intertoto ...

 

[Jun-hide]

No disrespect to Barca, but Milan's Serie A trophy is worth at least 3 of their La Liga titles. They would have struggled to finish top 4 in ridiculously deep Serie A back then, as evidence by their epic win over Samp in over-time, and complete trashing by Milan a year later.

Milan IMO is quite clearly the best team of last decade by their incredible team in early 90s. I'll put my house that the team of Baresi, Maldini, Donadoni, Van Basten, Gullit, Tassotti would demolish any team in any era. Their were almost machine-like.

 

[Maresca]

having inter in top 10 is making this statistic very unrealistic

 

[Bozi]

having inter in top 10 is making this statistic very unrealistic

exactly, i mean how many points do they give for a coppa italia victory?
i know of sunday league teams that have had more success in more meaningful competitions

 

[Zé Tahir]

exactly, i mean how many points do they give for a coppa italia victory?
i know of sunday league teams that have had more success in more meaningful competitions

Damn it, I can't rep you, need to spread it before I do.

 

[Mark]

I never lose sleep over those lists.

 

[Gep]

Hands down! its obviously us. Ok we lost the last 3 C.L Finals but we were by far the better team the whole tournament season 96/97 & 97/98. Football has a funny way in showing who is the best team in Europe.

 

[Ahmedios]

How can they calculate the points each club can take? Barcelona, for example, did nothing in the Champions league since season 1994/1995 till 2003/2004.

exactly, i mean how many points do they give for a coppa italia victory?
i know of sunday league teams that have had more success in more meaningful competitions

I have the same thought a well. :cheesy: &

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Without being biased,i think Juventus should top that list.We reached more European finals than any of them and won more leagues than Barcelona and Milan in the given period period.Though i think Manchester United won more leages than us in that period.Either way,how Barcelona can even make the top 3 is beyond me.

It should be Juventus,Milan and Real Madrid/Manchester United IMO.

barcelona have only just started to revive themselves after years in the wilderness

 

[Marc]

sorry mate, we won 7 and got 2 revoked. Remember what Coboli said about DP ?? that he should've had 7 Scuds under his belt (( a terrorist he is )) ..

1 UCL, 1 UEFA cup, 1 UEFA super, and anIntercontinental cup
1 Italian cup, 4 Italian Supers and finally 1 intertoto ...

Barcelona won more than that, and so did Milan.

barcelona have only just started to revive themselves after years in the wilderness

That is the biggest load of bullshit I have read in a while, would you please check Barcelona trophies since 1991 before you write crap like this.

Hands down! its obviously us. Ok we lost the last 3 C.L Finals but we were by far the better team the whole tournament season 96/97 & 97/98. Football has a funny way in showing who is the best team in Europe.

Sorry, we were maybe best, but we didn´t win it. In the end only win counts.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Barcelona won 8 league titles during the time?My bad,i didnt know that.

Anyway,Inter do deserve to be in the top 10 imo.They won the Uefa cup,and won 2 italian cups.Their league form was fairly consistent too,and apparently they won the serie A too.

 

[Miss Dangerous*]

Sorry miss dangeropus but feel this is more appropriate in this thread which already exists-Bozi

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! “……Must be funny! In the rich mans world!” Or is it so funny? There’s certainly a lot of money pouring into football on our fair isle – more than in any other league in the world – and it’s going to continue to snowball.

We’re talking very serious big bucks in the future, but in the meantime, I’m sure most saw the reports on Deloitte´s table based on last year’s 2005/2006 season revenue table. 8 English clubs feature – including Spurs, West Ham (yes! West Ham!) and Manchester City. It just goes to show how much money is sloshing around in our league compared to others.

It’s important to note however, that revenue means income based on ticket sales, merchandising, catering and of course, the all important TV contracts. Deloitte also add that the table does not reflect transfers nor, obviously, profitability.

The “top 20”, pop-pickers, is as follows:

1 (1) Real Madrid 292.2m
2 (6) Barcelona 259.1m
3 (4) Juventus 251.2m
4 (2) Man United 242.6m
5 (3) Milan 238.7m
6 (5) Chelsea 221.0m
7 (9) Inter 206.6m
8 (7) Bayern M 204.7m
9 (10) Arsenal 192.4m
10 (8) Liverpool 176.0m
11 (15) Lyon 127.7m
12 (11) Roma 127.0m
13 (12) Newcastle 124.3m
14 (14) Schalke 04 122.9m
15 (13) Tottenham 107.2m
16 (n/a) Hamburg 101.8m
17 (17) Man City 89.4m
18 (n/a) Rangers 88.5m
19 (n/a) West Ham 60.1m
20 (n/a) Benfica 58.8m

Manchester United has been top of this list for many years even though the northerners have posted a shrinking income over the last 2. Real Madrid and Barcelona have taken up the first 2 positions due to a huge TV contract signed by these clubs – essentially widening the traditional gap between them and the other Spanish clubs even more. Juventus have also overtaken United – I think they also had signed a lucrative TV contract. It should be noted however, that the English clubs were only part way through a new TV deal which explains why we’ve been overtaken, and indeed, with the latest TV deal on the table for 2007/8 worth 50M to the champions (Chelsea received 30.4M last time), all the PL clubs will benefit enormously.

2 English clubs in the top 10 saw a decrease in revenues; Manchester United and Liverpool. Chelsea and Arsenal increased their turnover.

Manchester United´s decrease in income, according to Alan Switzer of Deloitte, was largely due to them getting knocked out of the Champions League at the group stage although he added that with the new AIG deal being approx 50% bigger than their previous Vodaphone sponsorship, their position should change in the future. Manchester United were also the highest profit making club in the world with something like 47M (pounds) being posted for the period in question, having said that, thanks to Glazier they have accrued 62M (pounds) in debt interest.

Chelsea also have the new Adidas deal to kick-in (the Samsung deal is now in effect), and along with Kenyon’s activities in the States and Asia, our merchandising revenue stream (I’m really picking up the lingo now – although I refuse to call us a “brand”!) will increase substantially. Kenyon is 3 years into the 10 year plan so far, and it will be interesting to see how much reduction in debt is posted, and, just as importantly, how many youngsters (at Chelsea or under contract playing for other clubs throughout the world) begin to come through and how they hold up.

The biggest spender in Europe in recent years is of course Arsenal, who borrowed something like 500m for a new stadium and has already re-mortgaged once to restructure their debt. Arsenal lie a very respectable 9th in the table, and with the increased revenues from the Emirates stadium, they will obviously increase their turnover through additional attendance and catering. I have no idea what debt interest they have had to pay or whether it’s anything like the Glazier figure. I understand that within the next few years the old Highbury site will be developed on and the revenues from this will be substantial – how much of this revenue is for the club and how much is for individuals, I have no idea.

Liverpool has of course just been taken over by Gillette and Hicks and I await with interest how that pans out. How much debt? How much will they spend on players? Who will have to pay for the stadium? Etc etc etc…

Liverpool fans have made a cringe worthy u-turn on club ownership now that they feel they could end up with some big transfers coming their way (so much for the “Liverpool way” – whatever that was!). Of course, their concern is key to the future on the point of players and transfers. There is no doubt, that without success and Champions league participation, the risk of “doing a Leeds” seems worryingly possible. New stadiums with the extra revenue generated are seen as a safety valve – but if these stadiums remain full without CL participation, players leaving for higher paying clubs, or mid-table mediocrity situations are realised, remains to be seen.

With all the extra TV money out there and Platini´s proposals to reduce English CL participation to 3 places (of course, G14 will stiffly oppose Platini´s idea - now its clear why Dein, the new G14 chairman has suddenly changed his posture with regard to Chelsea entering the self-chosen elite group!)it will really be “dog eat dog” out there – if it already isn’t. In a rich mans world, it’s not so funny after all is it?

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Awesome, thanks Miss.

 

[Miss Dangerous*]

Awesome, thanks Miss.

You`re so welcome.. ßömßärdîër

 

[The Arif]

Barcelona won 8 league titles during the time?My bad,i didnt know that.

Anyway,Inter do deserve to be in the top 10 imo.They won the Uefa cup,and won 2 italian cups.Their league form was fairly consistent too,and apparently they won the serie A too.

Yes, they were always third.