The Lebanese political crisis!!! (2 Viewers)

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Rab,

Don't understand me wrongly, but do you think Saad Hariri is qualified to be a critical man in Lebanon??

I mean except his father's money, what has he got to provide for his people??

What does he know about politics??

Don't take the question wrongly, but I really look for an answer...

And don't accuse me of being with the other party, because simply I'm NOT...
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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Rab,

Don't understand me wrongly, but do you think Saad Hariri is qualified to be a critical man in Lebanon??

I mean except his father's money, what has he got to provide for his people??

What does he know about politics??

Don't take the question wrongly, but I really look for an answer...

And don't accuse me of being with the other party, because simply I'm NOT...
Saad Hariri is still pretty young, he can't be compared to Samir Geagea or Walid Joumblat or to his father.

But so far he's selecting the right road, and he was spot on from both Nabih Berre and Hasan Nasrallah. Though they disagree on lot of things, they both admited that Sheikh Saad Hariri is on the right path.

One thing people should know is that Saad Hariri isn't there to turn "Future Movement" that was created under his Father into Militia like Hezbollah media are trying to show it.

Yesterday on LBC with May Chidiak, he stated many times that he took the charge after his father not for any political reason, but to CONTINUE what Rafik Hariri wanted, and that is building Lebanon, giving a bright future for students, and gathering the Shii'te, Christians, Druz, Sunni's and other sects to be united...and etc.

Everyday he's announcing the oppositions(Hezbollah) that his hand and all 14march leader's hands are open for any discussion, they're waiting to sit on a table with them.

But one thing Saad Hariri cannot accept is Bashar's regime putting pressure on Hezbollah which is leading into a mass and it almost lead into a civil war few weeks ago.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Lebanese crowds mark Hariri death despite bombs

Reuters - 2007 / 2 / 14

Crowds gathered in central Beirut on Wednesday to remember Rafik al-Hariri two years after the Lebanese former prime minister's assassination.

Saad al-Hariri, son of Rafik Hariri, said the rally would go ahead despite bus bombs that killed three people and wounded 20 in a Christian area on Tuesday.

Hariri and his ruling coalition allies called the memorial rally to show support for the government, which is resisting a campaign by the Hezbollah-led opposition to topple it.

The coalition blamed Tuesday's bombs on Syria, which it also says was behind the Feb. 14, 2005, suicide bombing that killed Rafik al-Hariri and a string of later attacks on anti-Syrian figures.

Thousands of Hariri loyalists streamed to the heavily protected Martyrs Square near his grave hours ahead of the rally.

"Not going out (to the rally) is bending to fear, giving in to what they want to do to us," his son told LBC television.

Syria denies involvement in Hariri's assassination, which triggered international pressure that forced Damascus to withdraw its troops in 2005 after 29 years in Lebanon.

Prime Minister Fouad Siniora has declared Feb. 14 a national holiday and day of mourning. Shops, schools and businesses are closed. Troops reinforced positions in downtown Beirut.

HEAVY SECURITY

Security forces erected fences and barbed wire to keep Hariri supporters separated from opposition activists who have been camped outside Siniora's office nearby since Dec. 1.

Hundreds of soldiers and police with armoured vehicles guarded Martyrs Square and diverted traffic away from the area.

Sectarian tensions have run high between pro-government Sunnis and Shi'ite Muslim supporters of opposition groups Hezbollah and Amal, both allies of Syria.

Hariri said he wanted the anniversary to be "an occasion for the Lebanese to emphasise their adherence to the truth" -- a reference to bringing his father's killers to justice. He said it was vital that a U.N.-backed tribunal try the suspects.

Hariri's allies say the opposition is acting on Syrian orders to oust the government and derail the tribunal.

The U.N. Security Council and the Beirut government have approved plans for the court. But Lebanon's pro-Syrian president has not and the plans cannot come into force until ratified by parliament which is due to come into session in mid-March.

Parliament Speaker and Amal leader Nabih Berri says the government has lost its legitimacy. Hezbollah and Amal say they support the idea of the tribunal but want to discuss its mandate to ensure it cannot be used as a political tool against them.
 
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    Rab,

    Don't understand me wrongly, but do you think Saad Hariri is qualified to be a critical man in Lebanon??

    I mean except his father's money, what has he got to provide for his people??

    What does he know about politics??

    Don't take the question wrongly, but I really look for an answer...

    And don't accuse me of being with the other party, because simply I'm NOT...
    Who said anything about that, he's the heir to his father's empire, it is natural that he is in the front now. He is running a business and fighting to find the murderer of his father (not that we don't know who that is, but to exploit the killers). There are good politicians that are capable of doing the job; I see Saad as a man behind the curtains if things go as they should, his time will come though.

    By the way, I don't get it, you have mentioned many times that he's high 24/7...on what basis do you make this claim?
     

    Azzurri7

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    Assad Attacked, Hizbullah Mocked on Hariri's Assassination Anniversary

    Nahar - 2007 / 2 / 14

    Lebanon's majority leaders told a sea of supporters marking the second anniversary of ex-Premier Rafik Hariri's assassination in Beirut that agreeing on the international tribunal to try his murderers is the only gateway to dialogue and unity.
    Hundreds of thousands of March 14 supporters streamed from north, east, central and south Lebanon to Martyrs' Square in cars, busses, and boats raising Lebanese flags and chanting slogans against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    The March 14 majority coalition accuses the Assad regime of masterminding the Hariri assassination on Feb. 14 2005 and the serial assassinations, the latest of which killed three civilians and wounded 23 in a twin bombing that targeted commuting buses northeast of Beirut on Tuesday.

    Lebanese Forces Leader, Dr. Samir Geagea speech!

    Lebanese Forces Leader Samir Geagea said the international tribunal, which Syria reportedly rejects, "will certainly be created."

    He stressed that "whoever fights against what is right will be knocked out … The international tribunal will certainly be created."

    Geagea escalated the confrontation with Hizbullah pledging that "henceforth, we will not accept any weapons outside the Lebanese army's frame of control...The Lebanese army is the resistance, the Lebanese government is the resistance, the Lebanese people is the resistance."

    Geagea's words drew thundering chants of support that echoed across the whole of Beirut and reached the ears of protestors taking part in a Hizbullah-led sit in at the nearby Riad Solh Square since Dec. 1 with the declared objective of toppling Premier Fouad Saniora's majority government.

    Addressing President Emile Lahoud, whose term in office was extended for three years under Syrian pressure in 2004, Geagea said: "History has settled its account with any tyrant …at the end (of your term) you will go away to history's garbage dump.":rofl:

    At 12:55 p.m., the exact time of the one-ton explosion that killed Hariri two years ago, an angry crowd fell silent as church bells tolled and mosque minarets blared Allah Akbar chants.


    Walid Jumblat word for today's anniversary.

    Progressive Socialist Party Leader Walid Jumblat stressed in his address that the year 2007 will see the creation of the international tribunal to try suspects in the Hariri murder and related crimes.

    "We will not surrender to terrorism and to authoritarian parties, be they Syrian or otherwise," Jumblat said as the crowd applauded and shouted slogans attacking Assad, his regime and his Lebanese allies in the Hizbullah-led opposition.

    Addressing Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah without mentioning him by name, Jumblat said: "Give the weapons to the Lebanese army and the hay to your allies."

    He was referring to Hizbullah weapons confiscated last week concealed in a truck loaded with hay.

    The government delivered the weapons to the Lebanese army in south Lebanon, ignoring calls by Hizbullah which claims the weapons are needed by its resistance arm.

    Jumblat stressed that "from now on there will be no weapons except what is controlled by the Lebanese army."

    He was obviously escalating calls to disarm Hizbullah.

    Jumblat also stressed that "we adhere to international (U.N. Security Council) resolutions. All international resolutions," in reference to resolution 1559 which was adopted in the year 2004 and called for disbanding and disarming all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias, a reference to Hizbullah and pro-Syrian Palestinian factions operating in Lebanon.

    Jumblat launched a vehement attack on Assad terming him "a snake .. a beast .. an Israeli begger .. a liar .. a criminal.":lol: (You gotta love this man)

    "This year will witness the creation of the international tribunal, justice will be served and the punishment will be a death sentence," Jumblat pledged.

    Parliamentary Majority leader Saad Hariri, son of the slain ex-premier, delivered an emotional speech in which he thanked all those who took part in the ceremony and stressed that the Lebanese are "committed to freedom, independence, the truth, justice and the international tribunal."

    "We adhere to justice to punish the murderers" who committed the Hariri killings and related crimes, he said.

    He condemned recent "aggressions on peaceful neighborhoods" by masked followers of the Hizbullah-led opposition on Jan. 23.

    "Despite all that, we are in the final phase of the march to create the international tribunal soon, very soon," Hariri said.

    "Lebanon will be victorious and Lebanon's enemies will be defeated," he pledged.

    Hariri's speech was interrupted with applause and chants attacking the Assad regime.

    The majority leader concluded by stressing that "we are ready for any brave decision in favor of Lebanon … but the international tribunal is the sole gateway to any solution."


    :touched:
     

    mnementh

    Senior Member
    Jun 5, 2005
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    List of the Lebanese in syrian Jails...I wonder why Hezbollah don't ask about them.

    Name Date of Abduction


    Atta Mahmoud al-Abdallah 1984
    Abdel-Majeed Abdel-Kareem.
    Joseph Jirjis Abi-Najm 1993
    Ahmed Abi-Ra'ad September 1988
    Father Sleiman Abou Khalil 13 October 1990
    Bilal Abou Nader 22 February 1987
    Elie Abou Nader 21 November 1984
    Elie Farid Abou Nader 1987
    Amin Abou Rjeily 1983
    Fouad Abou Rjeily 1983
    Ali Al-Ad December 1986
    Khodr Khodr Agha 10 June 1986
    Ahmed Ali Ahmed April 1987
    Abdel-Hameed Ahmed
    Abdel-Rahman Ahmed
    Adel Khalaf Ajouri 5 May 1990
    Joseph Deeb Al-Akiki 13 October 1990
    Ali Mohamed Akl 24 December 1988
    Milad Youssef Al-Alam 13 October 1990
    Houssein Amin October 1988
    Mohamed Al-Andouri 29 December 1986
    Stavro Elie Andriotti 7 July 1978
    Elias Mtanos 2 may 1989
    Emile Joseph Aoun
    George Joseph al-Asmar 9 February 1985
    Mahmoud Aswad 1988
    George Zahalen 22 November 1988
    Victor Khachan 29 November 1988
    Hassan Awad 1 March 1983
    Hachem al-Azzawee September 1988
    Hassan al-Baalbaki October 1988
    Houssam al-Bacha October 1987
    Dara Mohamed al-Badn 1984
    Jamal Bakeesh 1988
    John Ballout
    Amer Salman Baroudi 11 June 1986
    Ibrahim Loueiz Basha
    George Mtanos Bashoor 13 October 1990
    Michel Gerges al-Batah 13 October 1990
    Sayed Shaheed Battoor 13 October 1990
    Abdel-Karim Boulaz 22 February 1987
    John Elias Bou-Na'oum
    Robert Bou-Sarhal 13 October 1990
    Abbas al-Breidi 30 November 1988
    Bashir al-Breidi November 1988
    Izz al-Deen Chahine April 1988
    Karim Maroun Chahla 28 October 1983
    Ahmed Chihadeh April 1988
    Jamal Chihadeh October 1988
    Qouzhayya Karam Dagher 28 April 1985
    Darweesh Darweesh April 1988
    Jamil Deeb 7 July 1993
    Amin Gabriel al-Deek 18 February 1984
    Ali Zein al-Deen 29 January 1989
    Mohamed Saeed Seif al-Deen 1989


    and the list goes on.......
    Unbelievable. :oops: I also wonder why Hezbollah didn't abduct Syrian soldiers to release them. Israel only has 1 lebanese prisoner, a ruthless baby murderer who would have been executed in any other country. This is ultimate proof that Hezbollah has nothing to do with any "liberations". It's simply a terrorist genocide organization.
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,870
    Unbelievable. :oops: I also wonder why Hezbollah didn't abduct Syrian soldiers to release them. Israel only has 1 lebanese prisoner, a ruthless baby murderer who would have been executed in any other country. This is ultimate proof that Hezbollah has nothing to do with any "liberations". It's simply a terrorist genocide organization.
    :rofl:
     

    Muha

    The Head Physio
    Feb 25, 2004
    1,546
    Unbelievable. :oops: I also wonder why Hezbollah didn't abduct Syrian soldiers to release them. Israel only has 1 lebanese prisoner, a ruthless baby murderer who would have been executed in any other country. This is ultimate proof that Hezbollah has nothing to do with any "liberations". It's simply a terrorist genocide organization.
    Seriously, dude, I dont know wht world your living in, cuz obviously your somwhere out there, wondering, goaless, and ur ignorance has just topped it up.

    Hezbollah has named four individuals who it says are Lebanese citizens currently held in Israeli jails.

    Samir Kuntar is serving four life sentences for murder for a 1979 attack on a civilian apartment block in Nahariya, Israel.

    Nissim Nasser is an Israeli of Lebanese descent who was arrested in 2002 for spying for Hezbollah.[1]

    Yehia Skaff is accused of participating in the 1978 Coastal Road massacre. Israel has not confirmed that it is holding Skaff, but according to Hezbollah, several former Lebanese detainees claim to have seen him in prison.

    Ali Faratan is a fisherman.[1] Hezbollah gave no reason for his alleged detention.

    Hezbollah initially demanded the release of Kuntar, Nasser, and Skaff at the time of the 2004 Israel-Hezbollah prisoner exchange, but Israel refused.
    People who have been missing since the Israeli military presence in southern Lebanon include:

    Hassan Sami Taha
    Hussein Zeid
    Ibrahim Nour el Din
    Mohamad Moallem
    Nizard Ali Merhi
    Souheil Rammal
    Khaled Kachmor
    Khaled Chahine
    Ali Kachmor
    Said Bleibel
    Taleb Abo Raya
    Ahmed Harbawi
    There are also some former Lebanese militants, now presumed deceased, and alleged to be kept by Israel in secret graves, including:

    Yahya El Khaled
    Ayad Kassir
    Hussein Daher
    Elias Harb
    Farjallah Fouaani
    In addition to the above, the following people were listed in a letter dated March 2004 to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights by Lebanon's UN permanent representative as having been arrested during the 1982 Israeli occupation of Lebanon and still missing. The allegations are disputed by Israel.

    Mooussa El Sheikh Selman
    Bilal Samadi
    Ibrahim Zein El Din
    Mohamad Said El Jarrar
    Jamil Amhaz
    Mohamad Ali Hawa
    Mohamad Ali Gharib
    Hassan Ramez Ballout
    Maher Kassir
    Mohamad El Abouchi
    Jammal Habba
    Samir El Khorfan

    I dont know wht Israel your talking about, cuz the one i know has got more than 1 lebanese in its prisons.
     

    Muha

    The Head Physio
    Feb 25, 2004
    1,546
    Saad Hariri's speech was so different in style and content to the speeches of Jaaja and Humblat.. it really showed how those three have their own ways of thinking and they are not as united as they seem...
     

    Azzurri7

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    Dec 16, 2003
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    Seriously, dude, I dont know wht world your living in, cuz obviously your somwhere out there, wondering, goaless, and ur ignorance has just topped it up.


    I dont know wht Israel your talking about, cuz the one i know has got more than 1 lebanese in its prisons.
    It's you who seems living in diff world. Hassan Nasrallah named only Three that should return back. And these are the last three in Israel.

    While on the other hand there's over 650 Lebanese in syrians jails.

    Lets do the math, 3 in Israel and over 500 in Syria. hmmmmm.
     

    Azzurri7

    Pinturicchio
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    Dec 16, 2003
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    Saad Hariri's speech was so different in style and content to the speeches of Jaaja and Humblat.. it really showed how those three have their own ways of thinking and they are not as united as they seem...
    And how did you manage to make that conclusion? Surely they shouldn't all have the same speech, It'll be boring for all these people who came from diff places to see them.

    Geagea and Jumblat have been in politics before Saad, they're since the civil war days...
     

    mnementh

    Senior Member
    Jun 5, 2005
    2,122
    I dont know wht Israel your talking about, cuz the one i know has got more than 1 lebanese in its prisons.
    Like i said the only 1 lebanese prisoner I'm aware of is the baby murderer Samir Quntar, the rest is probably lies by Hezbollah. Please don't talk about ignorance, me and Rab here are probably the only ones who actually know what's going on in this region, definitely not you or Rebel. Lecture me about Australian prisoners or "under the rubble" prisoners.
     

    Azzurri7

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    Dec 16, 2003
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    I cant beleive he actually said that.
    Believe it, he even called him "a monkey that not even nature would recognize him".

    If I was in his place, I would have probably called him names much more than that.

    After-all a terrorist like Bashar Assad shouldn't be called any lower than the names he called him. History will always remmber him as a killer and a terrorist just like other leaders who went down at the end.
     

    Snoop

    Sabet is a nasty virgin
    Oct 2, 2001
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    Saad Hariri's speech was so different in style and content to the speeches of Jaaja and Humblat.. it really showed how those three have their own ways of thinking and they are not as united as they seem...
    Sameer JaeJae Is a person I respect, he is a wise man and maybe he is not great in politics, maybe he is a murderer and a thief, but he is a man, and he has no fear to speak his mind, now, and even when Syrians were in Lebanon, he is a wise man, Hakeem ;)

    Saad Hariri is a kid, he is not aware of what is going on around, he is no leader, and can't be one, maybe his Elder brother should took that role?

    Jounblat? he is like a monkey, jumping from here to there, he is more, like a show-business-man.. he praises the Asad family first, the other day he insults, he says Asad family had nothing to do with his father's murder, now he says they are responsible, he is just showing himself now since the Syrians are out, and his speech are like kids, you can say your word in a respected way and you can say the same exact things like JaeJae, but he prefers in low class, he is amusing thou :eyebrows:
     

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