The...I want this player to Juve thread (34 Viewers)

[rounder]

If he had one freak season with Arsenal in which he somehow managed to score goals, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. This is not the case however. He has played brilliantly for a whole decade. The point you made about Bierhoff is irrelvant since Bierhoff didn't give half of what Henry gave.

I can't believe you are actually referring to his first season at Juve. He was a kid FFS, he was playing in the toughest league in the world at the time and just couldn't withstand the pressure. He felt more at home in Higbury and he has broken countless records for Arsenal.

 

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[v1rtu4l]

I can't believe you are actually referring to his first season at Juve. He was a kid FFS, he was playing in the toughest league in the world at the time and just couldn't withstand the pressure. He felt more at home in Higbury and he has broken countless records for Arsenal.

When Henry was at Arsenal i also thought "ok, perhaps he wasn't developed as player, when he played for juve", but seeing the same lame shit (we saw at juve from him) when he is playing for barca leads to my opinion, that it is not the age or maturity as player that does make the difference, but the surrounding ... and a player that does only well on one spot ... is no good player (at least for me)

i got a little statistic of henrys goals for his former clubs

Season - Club - Country - League - Appearences - (Goals)

2006-07 Arsenal - ENG A 17 (10)
2005-06 Arsenal - ENG A 32 (27)
2004-05 Arsenal - ENG A 32 (25)
2003-04 Arsenal - ENG A 37 (30)
2002-03 Arsenal - ENG A 37 (24)
2001-02 Arsenal - ENG A 33 (24)
2000-01 Arsenal - ENG A 35 (17)
1999-00 Arsenal - ENG A 31 (18)
1998-99 Monaco - FRA A 13 (1)
1998-99 Juventus - ITA A 16 (3)
1997-98 Monaco - FRA A 30 (4)
1996-97 Monaco - FRA A 36 (9)
1995-96 Monaco - FRA A 18 (3)
1994-95 Monaco - FRA A 8 (3)

but you can also argue that it is coincide, that he scores in england but sucks elsewhere

 

[rounder]

I never said that surroundings don't have a huge affect on a footballer, I said that you weren't right to say Henry is a bad player after all he has done for Arsenal.

You're right when you say he is affected greatly by his surroundings, he even admitted that he despised the dead atmosphere in Turin but you can't say he's a bad player. Look at Ronaldo, he was brilliant for Inter but not so much for the other clubs he played for. Does that make him a bad player? Not at all.

Consider the way he was played for France as well. He has been excellent for them and was always a threat internationally. Remember how he tore Real's defense apart a few years back? He's a great player, no doubt about it. He just didn't fit in in Barca's enviroment.

 

[v1rtu4l]

He's a great player, no doubt about it. He just didn't fit in in Barca's enviroment.

you're the optimistic and the he didn't fit in barcas enviroment

i'm the pessimistic guy that says he only fits in arsenals enviroment ...

for me as non-pro soccer player it is not really understandable, that a surrounding does affect the way you play so much, so you look like crap or shine ...

yes, you got your ups and downs, but that it makes such a great difference i cannot understand ... (you must bear in mind, that he did not have to leave arsenal and furthermore should have known, that he would not see his daughter as often as when playing for arsenal, when he moves to spain)



but regarding to ronaldo (if you meant the fat transvestite lover) i always thought he did really good everywhere

Season Club Country Level GP GS
2006-07 Real Madrid ESP A 7 1
2006-07 Milan ITA A 14 7
2005-06 Real Madrid ESP A 23 14
2004-05 Real Madrid ESP A 34 21
2003-04 Real Madrid ESP A 32 24
2002-03 Real Madrid ESP A 31 23
2001-02 Inter Milan ITA A 10 7
2000-01 Inter Milan ITA A 0 0
1999-00 Inter Milan ITA A 7 3
1998-99 Inter Milan ITA A 19 14
1997-98 Inter Milan ITA A 32 25
1996-97 FC Barcelona ESP A 37 34
1995-96 PSV Eindhoven NED A 13 12
1994-95 PSV Eindhoven NED A 33 30
1994-94 Cruzeiro BRA A 14 12

 

[rounder]

From 96-99, Ronaldo was one of the best in the world. He was never the same after that. Despite scoring many goals for Real, he never had the same impact. Most of his goals were really straightforward, one on one with the goalkeeper goals but when he was at Barcelona and Inter, he was brilliant. He was at his best shape and made any defense look like a bunch of schoolboys then.

Anyway, Ronaldo wasn't the best example. Sheva is a better one. Look how he choked for Chelsea, but does that mean he isn't good? His Milan days speak for themselves.

 

[v1rtu4l]

Anyway, Ronaldo wasn't the best example. Sheva is a better one. Look how he choked for Chelsea, but does that mean he isn't good? His Milan days speak for themselves.

good example ... also someone that did only fit a special playing style and sucks in other teams ... if you call these players bad because of that is up to yourself ...

i just don't consider these one-club-wonders star players and separate them from real stars like zidane

 

[rounder]

It depends on how you look at it really. Some players manage to shine no matter where they play, other are heavilly affected by their enviroment, coaches, teammates, fans, atmosphere, country etc...

I think what separated Zidane from the so called "one club wonders" is Zideane's personality and mentality. I think that's what it comes down to in the end. It's all about mental toughness, Zidane obviously has that while other players don't. It's not really a matter of talent as you said because if it were, they wouldn't have shined at their previous clubs in the first place.

Personality plays an even bigger role than talent IMO, a player's ability to impose himself on the team and cope with the enviroment around him is crucial. We have seen so many talents that have flopped when put in the wrong place but players with strong personalities manage to find success wherever they go.

 

[Boksic]

It depends on how you look at it really. Some players manage to shine no matter where they play, other are heavilly affected by their enviroment, coaches, teammates, fans, atmosphere, country etc...

I think what separated Zidane from the so called "one club wonders" is Zideane's personality and mentality. I think that's what it comes down to in the end. It's all about mental toughness, Zidane obviously has that while other players don't. It's not really a matter of talent as you said because if it were, they wouldn't have shined at their previous clubs in the first place.

Personality plays an even bigger role than talent IMO, a player's ability to impose himself on the team and cope with the enviroment around him is crucial. We have seen so many talents that have flopped when put in the wrong place but players with strong personalities manage to find success wherever they go.

Personality is what makes a good player into a worldstar and seperates him from all the other good players.

You consider that Zidane scored two goals in a world cup final and also scored in a champions league final, he is a big game player and will be remembered as one of the true greats.

Del Piero has risen to the occassion countless times for Juve in big games, and Ronaldo in his prime was the key for Brazil and Barca.

It comes down to the personality of these players, they can rise to the occassion and are the type of players who will be great in any team they play in.

IMO Henry isn't at that level he was a superb player but he has never risen to the occasion for France and in the champions league final with Arsenal i thought he was poor.

To the same extent i think that this is something C. Ronaldo has to improve if he is to live up to the British media hype, he is brilliant against the small teams but when Man. Utd play big games he often goes missing.

 

[v1rtu4l]

To the same extent i think that this is something C. Ronaldo has to improve if he is to live up to the British media hype, he is brilliant against the small teams but when Man. Utd play big games he often goes missing.

spot on!

best example is the last MAN U vs. BARCA match ... ronaldo was weak against a not in form zambrotta

 

[only-juve]

spot on!

best example is the last MAN U vs. BARCA match ... ronaldo was weak against a not in form zambrotta

No offence to any arsenal fan, but i never rate arsenal players high...I've watched arsenal before arsene wenger era and watched the same players playing under his management and u could clearlly see that they've perfromed waaay bitter with him.... Before henry's move to barca i've said to some of my friends that he won't make it there, no one believed me then but i knew it...Even flamini i really thought that we shouldn't over pay for him (which milan did) and believe me they will regret it in the future....Arsenal players r performing great becuase there is a genious manager called arsene wenger managing them without him am 100% sure arsenal would struggle in EPL for a loong time. Teams like man united (though i hate their guts) have a real quality players, even if one day ferguson left the team they will stuggle for a while (perhaps 1 season) but they will bounce back and perform great.....Though i agree that c.ronaldo is not best player in the world and he does flop in big games......

 

[Fred]

i really don't think so ... or maybe i just forgot the worldclass defenders from the french league everybody is after

i think the french league is pretty mediocre and so a crap defense will look quite good against crap forwards ... btw. the gomis goals i saw from the posted youtube videos were mostly pure luck ... the ape-like celebration doesn't win me over neither ...

the fact that players like henry and trezeguet did not score has simple causes ...


henry is a way overrated player and did only get crap goals from 4 yards, when the goalie was already beaten. that was when he played for us, that is while he is playing for barca and he even got on the top list of "most laughable goal-attempts" when he fired a ball sky high 3 yards from the goal with the keeper already beaten ... i guess the fact that arsenals play was solely build for henry and the created very many chances made him look good there, but look at him right now ... as weak as he was for us

trezeguet does not score one goal a season without good supplies, so if it was true that french league is most of the time crap, we have the explanation of trezeguets low goal ratio there

?You know nothing about the Ligue obviously, so i wont even bother arguing with you there.

Henry is both France and Arsenal's top scorer in history, if anything he's underrated.

Before he went to Barca, he was in an obvious steady decline, he scored only 10 goals in his last season with us, if he had moved to Barca three years ago, things would've been different i'm sure.

IMO Henry isn't at that level he was a superb player but he has never risen to the occasion for France and in the champions league final with Arsenal i thought he was poor.

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Henry was very good for France in both Euro 2000 and WC 2006. He's been France's top scorer in every tournament he's participated in barring Euro 2004. He's scored more goals than any other french player in History, if that isnt rising to the occasion, then frankly i dont know what it.

@ the CL final, obviously you were watching a different match than i was, we were playing with 10 men, and Thierry was being played upfront alone in that game and he wasnt getting much service, he ran his socks off in that game, you cant ask for more from him imo. Had he just scored that 70th minute chance, people would have remembered his performance.

 

[Orgut]

Wenger is the best at taking out the best of his players
He is one of the top 5 managers in the world without a doubt and I would be glad if we ever see him in Juve (just imagine with all our young prospects what he is going to do...)

BUT Henry is great and altough playing under Wenger got the best out of him it doesn`t mean he is average without Wenger!
He is still a great player. maybe he fade a little bit but he is also getting older so it make sense.
anyway I always thought Henry wouldn`t be such a good purchase for Barcelona since they already have too many dominant players in their team and the burdon should be split with all of them!
At Arsenal he was the star man the one which the burdon falls on so definitely the focus comes on him!

DP was heroic for us this season!
If you take him to Barcelona or Madrid with all the dominant players they have DP would be invisible

Henry may be a class over DP and he might be at a team full of stars but since they have Messi who contains more than 50% of the burdon+Ronaldinho who should take some himself not to mention Deco who is a team player therefore would be great at every club and don`t forget the others... Henry would have trouble to show his dominance

lets just say that if you give us Henry, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, or Ronaldinho you`ll see they regain their form since some of the burdon will have to fall on them too!
That`s why Zambrotta isn`t himself since he left for Barca and the same goes for Cannavaro who simply fell to the wrong atmosphere!
Samuel was great at Roma went to Real he was shit came back to Inter and got back on track

 

[Fred]

The thing is you cant really compare DP with Henry right now, Henry is a player that relies on his physical ability, so naturally he will start declining un his thirties, DP mostly depends on his technical prowess, thats why he's more likely to continue performing for a long time.

 

[Snoop]

Henry was one of my favorite players ever, I wish if he stayed with Arsenal, moves like these at this age usually ends up this way. Shevchenko's case is almost the same for example.

 

[Orgut]

The thing is you cant really compare DP with Henry right now, Henry is a player that relies on his physical ability, so naturally he will start declining un his thirties, DP mostly depends on his technical prowess, thats why he's more likely to continue performing for a long time.

I agree altough Henry technical abilitly isn`t that bad eigther

 

[Daddi]

Henry is a top class player, one of the worlds best for several years at Arsenal. He did what the hell he wanted to any defence. Including ours in CL.

 

[Firestarter]

Maybe, but we can't afford the wages he's earning at Barcelona.

 

[Marc]

I'm just curious, would any of you like to see Henry back to Juventus?

P.S. Nicely done Fred, for owning that guy. When it comes to French football, there is nobody even remotely close to your knowledge. You're doing a good job.

+REP coming you way, well deserved one.....

 

[Orgut]

I'm just curious, would any of you like to see Henry back to Juventus?

P.S. Nicely done Fred, for owning that guy. When it comes to French football, there is nobody even remotely close to your knowledge. You're doing a good job.

+REP coming you way, well deserved one.....

Well he is better than everyone we got and he still is one of the best in the world IMO
Ofcourse I would want him back but it also depends on the price
up to 20M Euros I would be glad to see him back

 

[Osman]

Barca wouldnt demand much for Henry, and I would LOVE to see him in Juve. Despite losing bit of his explosiveness, and being 30 years old, its frigging Henry. But its just a novel suggestion, zero chance of happening, and we have more vital priorities.