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Xperd

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Which nation was the only one to put dents or take points from the great spanish team ?

italy. And with a less then good generation each time


Silly tactics, fuck em.
The same 'great' Spanish team destroyed them 4-0 too so your point becomes invalid

What Capello said is right. If you keep drilling tactics into the heads of young Italian kids above technique, chances are you'll produce more Sturaro's than Pirlo's which is exactly what is happening now
 

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Zacheryah

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The same 'great' Spanish team destroyed them 4-0 too so your point becomes invalid

What Capello said is right. If you keep drilling tactics into the heads of young Italian kids above technique, chances are you'll produce more Sturaro's than Pirlo's which is exactly what is happening now
yeah, lets just forget that in the said final, half the italian team was injured or playing with injuries and physically collapsed after 15 minutes.


lets just forget the coach got exiled from italy and is hated everywhere for botching the injured teams tactics




Its really sad you have these "the cusp glasses" on when you have to make an invalid point for the sake of it.


Please consider becomming a better human
 

Xperd

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yeah, lets just forget that in the said final, half the italian team was injured or playing with injuries and physically collapsed after 15 minutes.


lets just forget the coach got exiled from italy and is hated everywhere for botching the injured teams tactics




Its really sad you have these "the cusp glasses" on when you have to make an invalid point for the sake of it.


Please consider becomming a better human
Excuses

They dint just get beat, they got obliterated.

Easy to pin everything on the coach.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Quick question, related to a rumor I saw earlier today:

AlexSandro to United in exchange for A.Martial and Darmian. Would you do it, why, why not, discuss?

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Business wise its a good deal as we clearly want Darmian and would probably get him either way..
A.Martial - While Im not a big fan of his - he does has a great potential and an ability to either be important for us or be a potential over 100M player..
A.Sandro probably wants out so we will sell him either way

On a personal note - No I wouldnt want it to happen as I rather take the money and splash it on SMS
Darmian wouldnt cost 100M so we could get him no matter the amount of budget we have..

I really think if you want to be the best you need to work with the best and SMS is the best (along with Pogba) and he wouldnt ask for a 15M wage..
I think its time we stop wasting our time with getting good players and start working to get great ones

We could buy other players and be competitive - might even get to another final in the future but if we want to increase our chances of getting there and increase our reputation+attraction and might even win it in the end we need to change face and be like Real and Barcelona

How do we get their money?! Well getting their money isnt really possible without outside interference but we can do some things:
WC players cost more but also sell more merchandise like shirts
We dont have to spend exactly like Barca and Real - We can do it in a smaller way like getting one player worth 80M-100M while selling dead wood and sign some impressive youngsters and loan them out like we do

Despite the 3-0 loss to Real and even if we lose like this again we are not a bad team - They are excellent and we miss some important players in order to be like them
Next year before purchases and sales our lineup could be
Polak;A.Sandro Chiellini/Caldara Benatia/Rugani MDS; Khedira Matuidi Pjanic; D.Costa Dybala; Higuain
Until proven other Polak is good enough
A.Sandro Chiellini Benatia Pjanic D.Costa Dybala and even Higuain are good enough (despite having something to say about Higuain)
Khedira has some on and off but a top club like Juve must have better and the same goes for Matuidi (even if I like the little bastard...)
Can on a free could give us a boost as he could be rotation or allow us to sell him or another player in order to get some money
MDS - The thing about him is that he isnt exactly useless as I think he is improving each day but since he isnt exactly a top player and wouldnt be in a year or two we must work on this position

I dont want to get into in... and out... thing again so I`ll just say there are options to change and get better - an example for that is selling Mandzukic to China and getting Balotelli for free
Getting Mandragora and selling Sturaro
Getting Spinazzola is a free option to the departures of Asamoah and maybe even Licht (not getting into the A.Sandro saga)
We also have Pjaca who could be sold or given a chance (I hope we realize he isnt going to be a top player and sell him but we could fetch a lot from him so we shouldnt hurry doing so..)
Kean could be another option even if I guess he will be loaned out again..
Orsolini does anyone remember this guy?! Juventus cant use him as he is not at the level we want but we can sell him on...
Cerri - How is he doing? Should we sell?
 

Zacheryah

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Excuses

They dint just get beat, they got obliterated.

Easy to pin everything on the coach.
italy played an amazing game with a not so amazing lineup against le grande spain in the group stage. Tactics perfect. All over ze world praise was there how Cuntdelly was using Conte's 3-5-2 to insane succes agianst le spain. Le spain who were destroying shit left and right


Oh look its the final. Lets go fucking 4-4-2, which was known to be absolute shit against spain. Oh look, italy gets murdered.



I accept your demention phase. Its the only way you forgot the shitstorm of cuntdelli sudden change of tactics that saw italy killed to death even before injuries set in
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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italy played an amazing game with a not so amazing lineup against le grande spain in the group stage. Tactics perfect. All over ze world praise was there how Cuntdelly was using Conte's 3-5-2 to insane succes agianst le spain. Le spain who were destroying shit left and right


Oh look its the final. Lets go fucking 4-4-2, which was known to be absolute shit against spain. Oh look, italy gets murdered.



I accept your demention phase. Its the only way you forgot the shitstorm of cuntdelli sudden change of tactics that saw italy killed to death even before injuries set in
Spain were among the unimpressive teams in the tournament until the final. Much like Portugal in 2016. You yourself were claiming how unimpressive they were and i remember you saying years ago that Portugal was the best team of that tournament. What changed your narrative now ? If you cant see what the inherent problem is with Italian football , then i cant help you. Every great Italian legend keeps stating how Italy has to transform its football. How many top quality technical footballers has Italy produced in the last decade or so ? Very few.

Perhaps another failed attempt at making the world cup will make you finally realize or are you still going to remain stubborn and claim how Italy made a 'dent' on the great Spain shortly before getting thrashed in the very same tournament ? all this , long after Italy becomes totally irrelevant as a top NT
 

Maddy

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Jul 10, 2009
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Capello's explanation is so shallow, it isn't worth the tiem. No wonder that Italy can't produce good talent if he is regarded as a authority on the subject.
 
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Mark

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    Darmian, De Sciglio, Spinazzola... just take Zappacosta too... if you want to compete with the old era...

    Motta, De Ceglie, Grygera, Traore, Peluso, Romulo, Molinaro...

    man, I really miss Zebina...even Balzaretti was better than this mediocre players
    calma

    Meunier would be an upgrade, but surely we want to do better than him?
    :boh:

    I don't love the Darmian rumours.
     

    Zacheryah

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    Aug 29, 2010
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    Spain were among the unimpressive teams in the tournament until the final. Much like Portugal in 2016. You yourself were claiming how unimpressive they were and i remember you saying years ago that Portugal was the best team of that tournament. What changed your narrative now ? If you cant see what the inherent problem is with Italian football , then i cant help you. Every great Italian legend keeps stating how Italy has to transform its football. How many top quality technical footballers has Italy produced in the last decade or so ? Very few.

    Perhaps another failed attempt at making the world cup will make you finally realize or are you still going to remain stubborn and claim how Italy made a 'dent' on the great Spain shortly before getting thrashed in the very same tournament ? all this , long after Italy becomes totally irrelevant as a top NT
    There is absolutely no problem with the football italy played. The backbone of juve succes is italian tradition and style.


    The truth, is actually, pathetically easy : Italy is producing shit players for the past 2 decades. That has nothing to do with style or emphias on tactics.


    If what you imply is true, then were are our Albertini's, Nesta's, Cannavaro's, Totti's, Del Piero's and Baggio's suddenly at ?



    Cause a few of those would well suit all the issues

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    Lets see what talents werent shit, born after 1995

    Verratti


    Italian talents that are on the way to stop beeing shit, born after 1995

    Rugani
    Caldera
    Bernavestite
    Maybe Berardi



    Jesus christ son, what legendary names. Baggio and Ronaldinho are in awe
     

    Nejc

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    Lets see what talents werent shit, born after 1995...
    Don't you think a possible cause why there are almost no tactically adept Italian players born after 1995 (or even 1990) is that coaches put more trust in young players that are tactically good? Which means scrubs like Sturaro stand out in youth teams while more gifted players are not given as much chance?

    If you let players with good technique play instead of force feeding them with tactics at young ages you can still teach them tactics when they are older, but you can't improve technique of players with two left feet. Even if they do not become the NT material you still get players that are able to play modern football instead of slow pieces of shit that can barely control a received pass.
     

    MikeM

    Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
    Sep 21, 2008
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    Bernavestite :howler:

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    Martial wants out of Man U. I'm all in on that guy. I would trade Alex Sandro straight up.
     

    lgorTudor

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    Jan 15, 2015
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    Martial wants out of Man U. I'm all in on that guy. I would trade Alex Sandro straight up.
    brillant move to open another construction site all while spend money into a crowded attack

    sell costa or berna or replace dybala with martial I could understand

    but literally subscribing to the same mistake that brought us into the 1-7 vs Real Madrid situation

    why is this forum so dumb lately
     

    MikeM

    Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
    Sep 21, 2008
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    brillant move to open another construction site all while spend money into a crowded attack

    sell costa or berna or replace dybala with martial I could understand

    but literally subscribing to the same mistake that brought us into the 1-7 vs Real Madrid situation

    why is this forum so dumb lately
    You know you can make more than one move in a mercato right? Value wise, Martial is way ahead of Alex Sandro so if Man U is in a desperate spot then I would try to take advantage.

    Then I would look for another LB.

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    How would u line this team up next year given we get 2 strong CMS along with Martial?
    I prefer a 4-3-3. I'm ok with both of these:

    Martial-Higuain-Costa

    Martial-Dybala-Costa

    The second one :tuttosport:

    Martial is the perfect LW to take advantage of Dybala pulling CBs around.
     
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