[SPA] La Liga 2009/2010 (4 Viewers)

Jul 12, 2002
5,666
Oh, right. Like I'm supposed to waste my time partaking in banter such as, "you're ignorant, I'm intelligent," "NO!, I'm intelligent, you're ignorant!"
Yes, you are obviously too important to actually discuss anything. You, oh master of all that is good and right, will only mentally deficate whatsoever you feel necessary. Of course, you were the one that started the whole deal by attacking my integrity (again), so you'll excuse my erroneous assumption that you wanted to talk about it.
 

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Jul 12, 2002
5,666
do you want me to post pictures of the entire Juve squad excepting Del Piero and Giovinco? You're ridiculous. Juve have proven time and again that they would rather bring in foreigners than promote their youth players. You can't possibly say that Barca are the same way.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,134
Of course Barca sells their jersey, what I meant was that Juve basically sold the look of the team to Nike and I didn't appreciate that. And barca has never had a shirt sponsor and probably never will. It's about class and integrity. I guess Juve donates its shirt sponsorship money to Unicef?

And again, pick and choose those parts of a single whole which you feel you may be able to tear down. You don't want to talk about foreign mercenaries, or corporately owned clubs, or match fixing, just shirts...Sad....
Zlatan is the biggest mercenary there is. There are a bunch of other mercenaries in Barcelona.

Juve didn't have more youth products in the team when you were a Juve fan than they do now.
Now we have De Ceglie, Giovinco, Marchisio, Immobile. How many Juve youth products did we have back then when you were a fan?
How many mercenaries we had when you started supporting the team compared to now or 2006? Just as much.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,134
Of course Barca sells their jersey, what I meant was that Juve basically sold the look of the team to Nike and I didn't appreciate that. And barca has never had a shirt sponsor and probably never will. It's about class and integrity. I guess Juve donates its shirt sponsorship money to Unicef?

And again, pick and choose those parts of a single whole which you feel you may be able to tear down. You don't want to talk about foreign mercenaries, or corporately owned clubs, or match fixing, just shirts...Sad....
And this, without anything at all against you personally, is why everyone dislikes the Barcelona fans. This "we're better than all of you in EVERYTHING" behavior.
"We're classy. We don't have shirt sponsors and never will. We have integrity that no-one else does".

It's like a story repeated to the Barca fans day after day and they keep repeating it all the fucking time.
 
Jul 12, 2002
5,666
okay, let me make this clear to you, because you've obviously never had it explained before:

There are several reasons which, taken together, account for a betrayal (IMO). Any of those reasons could be applied elsewhere or possibly dismissed depending on your viewpoint. But, as they are all legitimate to me and are not found concurrently with the club I support now, I think my point stands.
 

RavaneVialli

Senior Member
Jan 27, 2008
863
do you want me to post pictures of the entire Juve squad excepting Del Piero and Giovinco? You're ridiculous. Juve have proven time and again that they would rather bring in foreigners than promote their youth players. You can't possibly say that Barca are the same way.
But it's you who argues that buying mercenaries is something unacceptable for a classy club, not us.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,134
Here you are:



In fact, Juve have never splashed that abominable amount of disgusting money on one player.
But Juve paid 30 milion euro for a Right back!!! Can you imagine that? We paid 30 m euro for a fucking right back mercenary that is Thuram.

Barca will never do that.
They'll never pay 30 m eur for a right back.


They only pay 35 m eur for Danny Alves.
 
Jul 12, 2002
5,666
and where was the yutes when Bartha signed Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Giuly, Belletti, Marquez and Deco?
I'm not saying clubs shouldn't buy players. I'm saying that clubs shouldn't loan out all their young players to make room for foreigners. I don't think that you can say Barca are guilty of that, and Juve certainly have been.
 

The Curr

Senior Member
Feb 3, 2007
33,703
I'm not saying clubs shouldn't buy players. I'm saying that clubs shouldn't loan out all their young players to make room for foreigners. I don't think that you can say Barca are guilty of that, and Juve certainly have been.
That is because in Spain they have B teams so they don't need to loan players out!
 

Emmet

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2006
3,938
Sure:

I became a juventus fan following Edwin Van der Sar's transfer to the club. At the time, I did not consider myself a "fan" of any club, but Juve were a traditional, respectable, old school club that endeared itself to me.

After years of supporting the club, several things happened which I feel were betrayals to the fans. First (and probably most important), Juventus became a publicly traded company. I was a fan of Juventus FC, not Juventus Inc. I am not in favour of this kind of "football company" and the money-centred atmosphere leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Next, Juve systematically brought in overpaid foreign mercenaries at the expense of homegrown youth. I hate this and I think it's a betrayal of everyone involved with the club and the game. Next, Juve sold the stadium name, jersey, and club symbol to corporate interests. I simply can not stand for that kind of blatant profiteering. Finally, the straw that broke the camels back was to find out that Juve were in fact guilty of match-fixing and transfer rigging. I had defended the club innumerable times from these allegations and honestly believed them to be conspiracy theories only to find out that Juve were in fact just as corrupt as they were said to be.

so, I felt betrayed by the club, and that the club was not loyal or honest to me in lying about nearly everything and selling itself out in the most horrible ways.
I think thats the most bullshit I've ever read in one post ever. If thats your view on football then you really must hate modern football, because our club is just like every other club. We have bought foriegn talent, we have youth products too. Just like Barca, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern and every other top European fucking club.

I suggest you build yourself a time machine and go back to the 1970s when football was far simpler.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
117,117
And this, without anything at all against you personally, is why everyone dislikes the Barcelona fans. This "we're better than all of you in EVERYTHING" behavior.
"We're classy. We don't have shirt sponsors and never will. We have integrity that no-one else does".

It's like a story repeated to the Barca fans day after day and they keep repeating it all the fucking time.
But this whole discussion is BarcaGloryhunterForLife in a nutshell -- an utter hypocrite. Whether it be discussions regarding mercenaries, or claiming my fellow countrymen and I are the world's enemy because of our consumption of natural resources (as if this pothead doesn't consume products with crude oil, timber, and poppy, or doesn't live in a country that would take as much of it as they could get... he lives in Europe, not Gambia, FFS!), he simply does not have it all upstairs, so to speak.

But hey, I'll tell you what, Alen. You and Jack will now have me onboard in wishing the worst to Barcelona as long as this clown posts here. You can have my word, Ally. :D
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
117,117
I think thats the most bullshit I've ever read in one post ever. If thats your view on football then you really must hate modern football, because our club is just like every other club. We have bought foriegn talent, we have youth products too. Just like Barca, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern and every other top European fucking club.

I suggest you build yourself a time machine and go back to the 1970s when football was far simpler.
:tup:

Or just out himself.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
and as for the 'betrayal', the suits in the box seats are not Juventus...the players who fight and bleed for the shirt are Juventus, the millions of fans all over the world are Juventus, the people who give up their time and money are Juventus...nobody can take that away from us...sure we have our share of issues, but we never claimed to be at a moral high ground about it, before or after Calciopoli.
 

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