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[Trequartista]

Excuse me Fred, but Barcelona's manager in Madrid's 2-1 victory at the Camp Nou last season was Guardiola, wasn't it?

Mourinho is better than Guardiola, actually it isn't even a contest. Guardiola will fail at Bayern.

 

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[ALC]

I hate Bein Sports but damn, they have the hottest female announcers. Fox Soccer on the other hand keeps that retard Wynalda and co while ESPN has Darke and McManaman, both of whom I also like.

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And that was a fucking dive Adriano. Motherfucker caught air. So glad to see Valdes get a red from that tho

 

[Fred]

Excuse me Fred, but Barcelona's manager in Madrid's 2-1 victory at the Camp Nou last season was Guardiola, wasn't it?

Mourinho is better than Guardiola, actually it isn't even a contest. Guardiola will fail at Bayern.

Stop clutching at straws.

That was his only loss against them in 4 years(a loss in extra time isn't counted). Barcelona actually created a lot in that game, they weren't as tame as they were in their losses this season.

I don't mind you saying that Mourinho is better than Pep(even though he's definitely not), my qualm is with the fact that you dismiss Pep's work in Barcelona, which if you were honest, and if your ego doesn't get in the way of your judgement, you should see that clearly this season.

 

[Red]

Excuse me Fred, but Barcelona's manager in Madrid's 2-1 victory at the Camp Nou last season was Guardiola, wasn't it?

Mourinho is better than Guardiola, actually it isn't even a contest. Guardiola will fail at Bayern.

It's an interesting question:

Did Guardiola quit because he saw the decline coming; or

Did him quitting cause the decline?

Seen various things claiming that he quit because he saw problems coming and didn't really have the stomach to stick around and try to fix them.

 

[Alex-444]

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[Fred]

It's an interesting argument:

Did Guardiola quit because he saw the decline coming; or

Did him quitting cause the decline?

Seen various things claiming that he quit because he saw problems coming and didn't really have the stomach to stick around and try to fix them.

Could you not say the same about Mourinho and Inter?

 

[Trequartista]

It took him some time to make Real Madrid become efficient with that counter-attacking style of play, that is true.

He definitely is better than Guardiola for the moment, we'll see how the latter does with a different team, I expect him to flop badly at Bayern.

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Could you not say the same about Mourinho and Inter?

Mourinho quit for his ambition because he had just won a treble with Inter and Madrid is the biggest job in football.

Guardiola was demoralized, he quit because he understood that Mourinho had sorted him out.

 

[Fred]

It took him some time to make Real Madrid become efficient with that counter-attacking style of play, that is true.

He definitely is better than Guardiola for the moment, we'll see how the latter does with a different team, I expect him to flop badly at Bayern.

You're still harping about whose the better manager, thats not the point, read my previous post.

As for the first part of your post, Real were much more effective last season than they are this season, however that did not get reflected in Classico's. I guess thats another coincidence, though.

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It took him some time to make Real Madrid become efficient with that counter-attacking style of play, that is true.

He definitely is better than Guardiola for the moment, we'll see how the latter does with a different team, I expect him to flop badly at Bayern.

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Mourinho quit for his ambition because he had just won a treble with Inter and Madrid is the biggest job in football.

Guardiola was demoralized, he quit because he understood that Mourinho had sorted him out.

That's not biased and selective at all.

I'm impressed you know the inner workings of both manager's minds.

All seriousness though, I'm sure even you know thats a bullshit statement.

 

[Trequartista]

I'm biased, and proud of it. However, the facts are there to see, that Mourinho is better than Guardiola.

 

[Red]

Could you not say the same about Mourinho and Inter?

Absolutely.

The difference between them is that Inter were on the verge of major problems because of the age of their squad, where there isn't an obvious major problem at Barca. They just need some relatively minor adjustments to get back to a very high level.

And I don't know that Guardiola did quit because he saw problems coming. Entirely possible he did genuinely just feel he needed to take a break.

 

[TrezJuve]

I don't think you can deny Guardiola is one the reasons that instigated Barca's dominance.

 

[Fred]

I'm biased, and proud of it. However, the facts are there to see, that Mourinho is better than Guardiola.

Trying to copy Jack's style isn't going to win you any points.

I said this 3 times now, my point isn't about whose better. But if you're so insistent of avoiding the argument, so be it. I'm not going to force you to enter an argument even you know you're going to lose

 

[Salvatore]

I don't mind you saying that Mourinho is better than Pep(even though he's definitely not)

Funny to see you call other people biased.

 

[Osman]

I'm biased, and proud of it. However, the facts are there to see, that Mourinho is better than Guardiola.

Are you like utterly incapable of having any discussion whatsoever? Fred clearly said he is not addressing wether or not Mourinho is better coach, but Peps effect on Barca and overall ability as coach.

 

[Red]

I don't think you can deny Guardiola is one the reasons that instigated Barca's dominance.

I don't think anyone would doubt that.

It's more a question of whether Guardiola was really a brilliant coach, or just one who was good enough to win with an extraordinarily talented team.

 

[Fred]

Absolutely.

The difference between them is that Inter were on the verge of major problems because of the age of their squad, where there isn't an obvious major problem at Barca. They just need some relatively minor adjustments to get back to a very high level.

And I don't know that Guardiola did quit because he saw problems coming. Entirely possible he did genuinely just feel he needed to take a break.

I personally don't think they would have had this slump if Pep was still coach, but thats just me speculating. I think the gravity of their problems became even more magnified by the fact that Tito while being a decent coach isn't that great tactically, and Roura his assistant is extremely poor. This group of Barcelona players need a manager that keeps them on their toes. Someone like Pep who had no qualms sending away the likes of Eto'o, Zlatan(after just one year), Ronaldinho and Deco because he thought they weren't committed enough and didn't work hard enough on the field, was the right manager for them. I'm not sure if you follow Barca, but from the start of this season, it was obvious that they didn't work as hard in pressuring the opposition and retaining possession, Pep mixed it around a bit with tactical formations, and played with 3 at the back sometimes to keep them from being predictable (See the first classico in the league last season). There is an obvious difference between Pep and his predecessors imo.

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Funny to see you call other people biased.

Elaborate.

 

[ALC]

I personally don't think they would have had this slump if Pep was still coach, but thats just me speculating. I think the gravity of their problems became even more magnified by the fact that Tito while being a decent coach isn't that great tactically, and Roura his assistant is extremely poor. This group of Barcelona players need a manager that keeps them on their toes. Someone like Pep who had no qualms sending away the likes of Eto'o, Zlatan(after just one year), Ronaldinho and Deco because he thought they weren't committed enough and didn't work hard enough on the field, was the right manager for them. I'm not sure if you follow Barca, but from the start of this season, it was obvious that they didn't work as hard in pressuring the opposition and retaining possession, Pep mixed it around a bit with tactical formations, and played with 3 at the back sometimes to keep them from being predictable (See the first classico in the league last season). There is an obvious difference between Pep and his predecessors imo.

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Elaborate.

I agree, he was good at keeping the team motivated.

 

[Cheesio]

I personally don't think they would have had this slump if Pep was still coach, but thats just me speculating. I think the gravity of their problems became even more magnified by the fact that Tito while being a decent coach isn't that great tactically, and Roura his assistant is extremely poor. This group of Barcelona players need a manager that keeps them on their toes. Someone like Pep who had no qualms sending away the likes of Eto'o, Zlatan(after just one year), Ronaldinho and Deco because he thought they weren't committed enough and didn't work hard enough on the field, was the right manager for them. I'm not sure if you follow Barca, but from the start of this season, it was obvious that they didn't work as hard in pressuring the opposition and retaining possession, Pep mixed it around a bit with tactical formations, and played with 3 at the back sometimes to keep them from being predictable (See the first classico in the league last season). There is an obvious difference between Pep and his predecessors imo.
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[Fred]

I agree, he was good at keeping the team motivated.

You're biased.

 

[ALC]

You're biased.

ay nigga, go fuck yo'self, don't nobody call me biased. i into gurlz.