Serie A: Parma vs Juventus [November 11 2007] (18 Viewers)

[Omair]

1 Internazionale 11 25
2 Fiorentina 12 23
3 Juventus 12 22
4 Roma 11 22
5 Udinese 12 22
6 Atalanta 11 18
7 Palermo 12 18
8 Sampdoria 12 17
9 Napoli 12 15
10 Catania 12 15
11 AC Milan 11 14
12 Genoa 12 14
13 Torino 12 13
14 Parma 12 12
15 Lazio 11 10
16 Siena 12 9
17 Cagliari 11 9
18 Reggina 12 9
19 Livorno 12 9
20 Empoli 12 9

 

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[Dostoevsky]

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23125 has been updated.Visit it to see where are we after 12 weeks,top scorers and next week clashes.

 

[Ledje]

I didn't watch this game so I can't say whether he would have fit better. The reason I don't trust Tiago for first team spot is that we really do have a weak defense regardless of Legro-Chiellini revelation. We need players who can guarentee our midfield's safety, ofcourse sacrificing midfield creativity.

THe times that I've seen Tiago, he just doesn't look comfortable enough and gets himself into trouble. I agree he needs playing time, but there is the risk of him disrupting the compactness of midfield. Free kicks and 1-2 deadly passes are abilities that are lovely to have in the first team, but not at the expense of the crucial midfield.

With that said though, I would recomend him being played more often against mid to low table teams. And we do need Iaquinta to be played from the start.

You can play different ways in the midfield. I think C.Zanetti can handle it alone and doesnt need support of Nocerino. There are people here screaming for Diego, but he plays in the same role as Tiago does. And if Tiago loses the ball, then it will not be before the defence, because his position where he gets the ball will generally be behind our 2 strikers.

 

[- vOnAm -]

Agreed. In the Cagliari game when he got angry and he was about to unleash his power, Gigi came over and shouted him down. The problem is that Gigi can't be there all the time, and in defense I can't see one player who will calm him down. Ciro or Fabio Canna would have. None currently.

I guess he's one the respect of some of his less prestigous teamates, surely against Inter Chiellini sent out a "this is my Juve" shout...

 

[Squall]

Is there any hope at all that Inter and Roma won't win their matches..?

 

[Zé Tahir]

We've failed to exploit every opportunity we've gotten this season to cut Inter's lead. If Juve don't get a kick in the ass right now we could lose the season in the coming games before winter break.

 

[Albertmare]

Morfeo is a cunt, yes and Tiago-Zanetti really looked better than Nocerino-Zanetti, no matter how Nocerino is good.

, an objective opinion from you

 

[Salvatore]

I guess he's one the respect of some of his less prestigous teamates, surely against Inter Chiellini sent out a "this is my Juve" shout...

But we still saw the aggressive side of him on Ibra...

 

[- vOnAm -]

You can play different ways in the midfield. I think C.Zanetti can handle it alone and doesnt need support of Nocerino. There are people here screaming for Diego, but he plays in the same role as Tiago does. And if Tiago loses the ball, then it will not be before the defence, because his position where he gets the ball will generally be behind our 2 strikers.

Tiago losses them around the halfway point of the field, which is an unexceptable area to lose the ball.

I think Zanetti can handle it alone too, but Tiago has to be more consistant going forward, meaning he causes real danger so that he doesn't just become Zanetti's burden. Diego has the ball control and dribble, the guy will win more free kicks than lose balls. You need somebody to spearopen the defence from midfield then Diego is the guy.

 

[- vOnAm -]

But we still saw the aggressive side of him on Ibra...

Yeah, at the momment he's having a hard time differentiating passion and heart from rage and anger.

 

[rainhard]

I didn't watch this game so I can't say whether he would have fit better. The reason I don't trust Tiago for first team spot is that we really do have a weak defense regardless of Legro-Chiellini revelation. We need players who can guarentee our midfield's safety, ofcourse sacrificing midfield creativity.

THe times that I've seen Tiago, he just doesn't look comfortable enough and gets himself into trouble. I agree he needs playing time, but there is the risk of him disrupting the compactness of midfield. Free kicks and 1-2 deadly passes are abilities that are lovely to have in the first team, but not at the expense of the crucial midfield.

With that said though, I would recomend him being played more often against mid to low table teams. And we do need Iaquinta to be played from the start.

But that can change the game entirely.

 

[Omair]

Tiago losses them around the halfway point of the field, which is an unexceptable area to lose the ball.

I think Zanetti can handle it alone too, but Tiago has to be more consistant going forward, meaning he causes real danger so that he doesn't just become Zanetti's burden. Diego has the ball control and dribble, the guy will win more free kicks than lose balls. You need somebody to spearopen the defence from midfield then Diego is the guy.

time for Tiago to prove his worth as a starter !! .. I'd like to see him having his shot instead of Nocerino!

 

[- vOnAm -]

Is there any hope at all that Inter and Roma won't win their matches..?

There is always hope, no matter how improbable they may be.

 

[pavelnedved]

we should forget about Inter. It's obvious that we have the refs against us game after game, no way we can compete with Inter in this way as they already have a much stronger squad.

 

[Salvatore]

Yeah, at the momment he's having a hard time differentiating passion and heart from rage and anger.

Agreed. He is still young so he hopefully will mature into a calmer, more composed player. We just need some experience to teach him that on pitch.

 

[- vOnAm -]

But that can change the game entirely.

If we cant keep hold of the midfield, we might be down a few goals before those momments of brilliance comes.

Ranieri is going for consistancy, we need to get through to winter break in a respectable position not neccessarily first or second. With consistancy comes confidance, we've gone along way from serie B, Ranieri is doing good by my books.

 

[RAMI-N]

we should forget about Inter. It's obvious that we have the refs against us game after game, no way we can compete with Inter in this way as they already have a much stronger squad.

True

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The ref probably felt bad for sending off Coly, so he favored Parma and disallowed Iaquinta's goal

more the so reason not to make it 2 mistakes to punish a team for the refs own mistakes

 

[zizoufan]

it's clear now that we need tiago. He's at least a good distibutor of the ball. In that aspect he exceeds by far nocerino and zanetti. Zanetti and Nocerino in the midfield, ok that works but who's gonna pass the ball when alex is off-form and nedved is absent ? C.R is supposed to tinker more IMO because playing always the same tacticts is just stupid and it won't works all the time.

 

[Squall]

It seems that our players all have great spirit and determination, though their overall performance is below than average. If that's what Ranieri is good at, I think that he should work as a motivator for the team or something while letting another manager handle the tactics and line-ups..