[Serie A] Juventus - Cagliari (35 Viewers)

[Snoop]

Defence: Chiellini(Considering Zebina back, he'll be back on the bench)...Kovac..

Midfield: Blasi, Giannicheda.....at Lippi's time we only had Enzo Maresca...Capello did a mistake here for taking Giannicheda and Keeping Blasi and putting Tacchi onloan not to forget selling Appiah.

Attackers...No comment.

Defence = montero - iuliano - ferrara - tudor

Midfield = maresca - tachinardi - davids - appiah

Atack = DP - trezeguet - salas - di vaio - zalayeta

ofcourse Lippi had a better squad.I don't understand what's the point of this

I said Capello's game is better than Lippi's (late) and Ancelotti's.it's the tactics the mentality, not the players I am talking about..and u said 2003 we were playing great.I don't think so,I remember very well how we were playing defensive against Madrid and Barcelona,to reach the final (which was more boring and defensive).

Capello game this season have improved a lot comparing with last season.that's what I was trying to say at the begining of the season (that this year will be much better).

 

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[Bjerknes]

Should I even bother getting into this discussion of Capello vs. Lippi? I really really don't want to..

 

[ThePLaya]

Should I even bother getting into this discussion of Capello vs. Lippi? I really really don't want to..

no you should not do that the match is over with the result 4-0 !

so why you have to discuss lippi & capello here ?

 

[Snoop]

Should I even bother getting into this discussion of Capello vs. Lippi? I really really don't want to..

I didn't started that.my point was we are playing better than the last 6-7 years.

 

[JCK]

Maybe we are not playing better than 6-7 years, but we definitely look much more stable and stronger.

 

[Bjerknes]

Buffon

Thuram - Ferrara - Montero - Zambrotta

Camoranesi - Tacchinardi - Davids

Nedved

Trezeguet - Del Piero


As opposed to:


Buffon

Zebina - Thuram - Cannavaro - Zambrotta

Camoranesi - Emerson - Vieira - Nedved

Trezeguet - Ibrahimovic


That's it, just look at the two squads...quite simple really. In 2003 Lippi had an aging defense, an aging Davids, an amazing Nedved, and a solid front pairing. Right now Capello has an aging defense yet very solid, two world class defensive midfielders, an aging Nedved, and an amazing front pairing. If we are going to argue over who was the better the manager at least get your facts right..

Both teams have solid and weak spots, however one is obviously better than the other through midfield...and that is where differences are made. End of discussion.

 

[ThePLaya]

zidane instead of davids

 

[JCK]

zidane instead of davids

When did Zidane and Nedved play toghether?

 

[ThePLaya]

When did Zidane and Nedved play toghether?

loll are you okay bro ?

i am replying giving my comment about rochembeck's formation above!!!

 

[Cronios]

Cap has the best players,
(thats undeniable,even our players admitted that)
Lippi had the best "squad",
we never had such a good team(material) for years,
if our current coach is equally good with the old one,
then we sould play better and eventually win more titles,
if he is better we sould win everything...

 

[Snoop]

Buffon

Thuram - Ferrara - Montero - Zambrotta

Camoranesi - Tacchinardi - Davids

Nedved

Trezeguet - Del Piero


As opposed to:


Buffon

Zebina - Thuram - Cannavaro - Zambrotta

Camoranesi - Emerson - Vieira - Nedved

Trezeguet - Ibrahimovic


That's it, just look at the two squads...quite simple really. In 2003 Lippi had an aging defense, an aging Davids, an amazing Nedved, and a solid front pairing. Right now Capello has an aging defense yet very solid, two world class defensive midfielders, an aging Nedved, and an amazing front pairing. If we are going to argue over who was the better the manager at least get your facts right..

Both teams have solid and weak spots, however one is obviously better than the other through midfield...and that is where differences are made. End of discussion.

read my previous post again Andy.and we were not talking about the first eleven, the whole squad with the subs.

 

[Cronios]

loll are you okay bro ?

i am replying giving my comment about rochembeck's formation above!!!

he knows...

 

[Cronios]

read my previous post again Andy.and we were not talking about the first eleven, the whole squad with the subs.

u telling us that we had back ups near to Kovac,Chiellini,Mutu,DP,Abbiati value?

 

[Snoop]

u telling us that we had back ups near to Kovac,Chiellini,Mutu,DP,Abbiati value?

check post #711.that's what I said,we don't have any better subs/options than lippi's time.yes I don't think those are much better than.Ferrara tudor younger pesotto and birindelli and tachinardi appiah maresca and divaio.you see any wrong in that?Let me know

 

[Cronios]

check post #711.that's what I said,we don't have any better subs/options than lippi's time.yes I don't think those are much better than.Ferrara tudor younger pesotto and birindelli and tachinardi appiah maresca and divaio.you see any wrong in that?Let me know

I C
-Ferrara was either a starter(early years that means no sub) either a 30 min max, very reliable sub,with very reduced speed,Kovac can handle 90',
Birindelli is still around here and Balza too:sick:
Pessotto against Chiellini hmm,Chiellini cost 9mil Pessotto would?
Appiah was available one year? he was Gianni level IMO
Tudor>Blasi when he isnt injured
Mutu>>>>Maresca
DP>DV

 

[Snoop]

I C
-Ferrara was either a starter(early years that means no sub) either a 30 min max, very reliable sub,with very reduced speed,Kovac can handle 90',
Birindelli is still around here and Balza too:sick:
Pessotto against Chiellini hmm,Chiellini cost 9mil Pessotto would?
Appiah was available one year? he was Gianni level IMO
Tudor>Blasi when he isnt injured
Mutu>>>>Maresca
DP>DV

wow,how you change the fact to your way.

Ferrara or tudor > kovac . no need to argue about that
Pessotto >> chiellini(no matter how he cost). anytime
Birindelli + thuram >> Balzaretti + Zebina
Appiah > Giannicheda (how could you even say they are the same level ??)
Tachinardi or Davids > Blasi.
Zalayeta + Di vaio < Mutu+DP+Zalayeta

these are the facts.

 

[Cronios]

Ferrara>Kovac? i ve posted my arguement still waiting urs

Pessotto>>Chiellini? il profesore is in my heart too but try to be objective

Birindelli+Starter>logically>than the subs,try not to bring the starters matter

Appiah? such a great player with such an impact and with such a brilliant games cannnot be compared with one of the best prooved+exp Lazio players with a double salary? Value the player not his play, the play is coaches fault

Tacchi(starter in Andy's formation) + Davids(starter) >Blasi < Vieira + Emo

facts?

 

[sallyinzaghi]

You gotta love Sonetti's comment.. "had we approached this game in a different way we would've ended up with the same result"

 

[Bjerknes]

read my previous post again Andy.and we were not talking about the first eleven, the whole squad with the subs.

I read your post, but the fact of the matter is Capello has the better defense and midfield...why? Cannavaro has been in better shape than Ciro in the specified season and Thuram has been vastly superior to the aged Montero as well. Davids was on the wane in 2003 when we reached the Final and there is no comparing Tacchinardi to Emerson as much as I respect the former. The attack is basically the same and even though we had the magnificent Nedved in 2003 the midfield we possess now should make up for his contributions.

Then if you want to talk about other options off the bench the verdict is unanimous as well...Chiellini, Kovac, Mutu, and Del Piero are all superior to Pessotto, Tudor, Maresca, and Zalayeta respectively, among others. Sure Lippi had stalwarts such as Conte who is obviously better than Blasi and Giannichedda combined, however the majority of the players Capello has are superior at this point in time.

There is no contest really...Capello has the better overall roster between the two, however the difference is not that noticable as to argue over who is the better manager with these facts. I have my favorite and everybody here has their own opinion on this matter as well..

But in terms of what he has done for Juve...Lippi is our man and I doubt Capello will ever rival what Marcelo has done for Juventus.

 

[giovanotti]

you can say anything my friend, but not Lippi....Lippi was a mind a big one....That man can't be compared to no one.

Truth,truth and nothing but the truth!!!:thumbs: