[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-2 Roma (Jan. 23rd 2010) (6 Viewers)

[giovanotti]

Grygera was NOT worse than Grosso!!
Grosso has failed the most, maybe even Amauri too!
Grygera did better than them, with his crosses and all.

We still have too many horrible players in our starting eleven and we do pay the lack of tactics, the lack of Neddy-like soul-player and the lack of decent defenders, as any other day.

Having such a helpless CF doesnt help either.
I ve always saying that Amauri is not prolific enough and i remember i had to oppose the whole forum for that, but i just cant tolerate him, not creating any chances to himself.
If anything, thats the only thing he was ever good at.
But he is not even trying anymore..
I know he can do better, but he doesnt want to, he is probably done as a Juve player...

DP, even half crippled, is ten the finisher, Amauri will ever be and DP is a SS, not a CF that some ppl thought of Amauri...

Candreva is the type of players we cant assimilate in a days training session.
We brought him not to solve issues, but to impress the stupid Italian fans...
That was proved today, when we used him!

Sissoko was our best man. Marchisio is in Melo form.

What scary, its the second consecutive time Chiellini made such a tragic mistake...


People here used to lough on Roma for Riise, Taddei, Burdisso and Juan
But those gents owned us today!
I wish Grosso, Candreva, Poulsen and Legro were as good as them...

Anyways, Ciro proved today that he is inferior to CR, for the ones still having doubts about that. Just like i said a year ago, "at least CR is a coach"...

In a decade or so we might learn smth, till then, keep dreaming with the Contes and the Pazzinis...

Chris ,what about Diego??? If you ask me he was great comparing to others.
The problem he has is that he can't work alone!!! Fotball is 11 man game.

 

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[giovanotti]

You gotta be kidding me?

No fault at all for the dude who lost the ball in midfield? No fault at all for the defenders who were nowhere to be seen? No "fault" for Pizzaro's perfect cross?

We wouldn't have conceded this goal if it was Giovinco or Del Piero instead of Candreva? What if it was Tiago?

No matter what anyone says, the guy is an AM.
Stop with the double standards already.

 

[king Ale]

You gotta be kidding me?

No fault at all for the dude who lost the ball in midfield? No fault at all for the defenders who were nowhere to be seen? No "fault" for Pizzaro's perfect cross?

We wouldn't have conceded this goal if it was Giovinco or Del Piero instead of Candreva? What if it was Tiago?

No matter what anyone says, the guy is an AM.
Stop with the double standards already.

Diego

 

[Bjerknes]

You gotta be kidding me?

No fault at all for the dude who lost the ball in midfield? No fault at all for the defenders who were nowhere to be seen? No "fault" for Pizzaro's perfect cross?

We wouldn't have conceded this goal if it was Giovinco or Del Piero instead of Candreva? What if it was Tiago?

No matter what anyone says, the guy is an AM.
Stop with the double standards already.

No no, on the mark. Folks say it was Hassan's guy, but it was not.

Diego shouldn't have lost the ball for sure.

Candreva's fault 100% after the ball was lost.

 

[giovanotti]

No no, on the mark. Folks say it was Hassan's guy, but it was not.

Diego shouldn't have lost the ball for sure.

Candreva's fault 100% after the ball was lost.

I think that Alen made a point by this sentence :
"We wouldn't have conceded this goal if it was Giovinco or Del Piero instead of Candreva? What if it was Tiago?"

 

[Bjerknes]

I think that Alen made a point by this sentence :
"We wouldn't have conceded this goal if it was Giovinco or Del Piero instead of Candreva? What if it was Tiago?"

But that's all BS, no disrespect to Alen, of course.

It's the typical, "oh, well so and so player would have done that, too, so it's OK", without any proof.

People have to man up and place blame on Candreva because it was his man. Brazzo had to look after a guy in front of him, and so did our new boy.

It's PATHETIC how folks are not placing any blame on him just because he's new. PATHETIC.

Say, here you go. Bernard Madoff cheated folks out of billions. If he did it, who cares if Moggi did? Bring him back!

 

[tibike]

No no, on the mark. Folks say it was Hassan's guy, but it was not.

Diego shouldn't have lost the ball for sure.

Candreva's fault 100% after the ball was lost.

Riise was Hasan's guy, the guy Hasan marked was Legro's guy.

 

[Cronios]

Chris ,what about Diego??? If you ask me he was great comparing to others.
The problem he has is that he can't work alone!!! Fotball is 11 man game.

Diego is a tool, he is talented enough to play for Juve, thats for sure, but to be efficient, we need to make a tactic plan that fits him.
ATM, he is our tactic plan, because there is no tactic plan, rather than give the ball to Diego and hope for the best. Our players dont work under a certain attacking plan, they dont make off the ball runs/penetrations.
And when they do, its just random and end up out of sync, or extremely predictable.

Diego had a better than an average performance today, but we werent able to earn smth from it, for tactical reasons.
We have seen that again and again, but there is nothing we can do about it...

As for the goal conceded by Candreva, at this level, in these matches, experiences matters, A LOT!! Even if Candreva was a better player than Giovinco or Tiago, he has never played with us before and it is normal, that this increases the chances of smth like this to happen.

 

[Osman]

You gotta be kidding me?

No fault at all for the dude who lost the ball in midfield? No fault at all for the defenders who were nowhere to be seen? No "fault" for Pizzaro's perfect cross?

We wouldn't have conceded this goal if it was Giovinco or Del Piero instead of Candreva? What if it was Tiago?

No matter what anyone says, the guy is an AM.
Stop with the double standards already.

Seriously dont know why you bother.

 

[Bjerknes]

Seriously dont know why you bother.

Offer us an argument as to why it wasn't his mark then, all knowing Candreva fan.

Oh wait, you can't!

Oopsie!

 

[king Ale]

Candreva came in for Grygera so no matter how hard it was for him to cover the right flank, I think it was what Ciro had asked him. Riise should have been marked by him, that's right but I'm not going to blame a new face on his debut while playing out of position in a wretchedly chaotic team.

 

[Hust]

Candreva came in for Grygera so no matter how hard it was for him to cover the right flank, I think it was what Ciro had asked him. Riise should have been marked by him, that's right but I'm not going to blame a new face on his debut while playing out of position in a wretchedly chaotic team.

 

[Osman]

Offer us an argument as to why it wasn't his mark then, all knowing Candreva fan.

Oh wait, you can't!

Oopsie!

He was bad on that marker, he missed covering Riise, in a disoriented and awfully defending team, its way too common even for the players who are supposed to be 100% defenders. Candreva is 1 player who made a single marking mistake in a team who does them for fun.

If that was the issue, him missing his marker (even if you disregard the other obvious parts of the wole sitaution, bottomline is he missed it) it would be swell. The fact is assclowns who make this 3020303 times bigger then it is, are the same assclowns who decided they would be totally 100% against the LOAN signing, instead giving of chance to show himself first.

The SAME assclowns who NOW say a no name primavera player should have played instead, or never loaned him for this said primavera player, also that he should never have subbed him in (when we all scream for Ciro makes offensive subs when we need it) or other assclowns saying he was signed simply because he is italian and young, and to appease italian fans, There is a LONG list of the total BS I heard tonight.

this all has been made out to be like someone who scored 5 Kaladze like owngoals in last 5 seconds of the World cup final. And the biggiest shocker of this all is this being said after 14 minutes of his debute. I cant stress enough how pathetic this BS is EVEN for this forum filled with total assclowns.

 

[Bjerknes]

He was bad on that marker, he missed covering Riise, in a disoriented and awfully defending team, its way too common even for the players who are supposed to be 100% defenders. Candreva is 1 player who made a single marking mistake in a team who does them for fun.

If that was the issue, him missing his marker (even if you disregard the other obvious parts of the wole sitaution, bottomline is he missed it) it would be swell. The fact is assclowns who make this 3020303 times bigger then it is, are the same assclowns who decided they would be totally 100% against the LOAN signing, instead giving of chance to show himself first.

The SAME assclowns who NOW say a no name primavera player should have played instead, or never loaned him for this said primavera player, also that he should never have subbed him in (when we all scream for Ciro makes offensive subs when we need it) or other assclowns saying he was signed simply because he is italian and young, and to appease italian fans, There is a LONG list of the total BS I heard tonight.

this all has been made out to be like someone who scored 5 Kaladze like owngoals in last 5 seconds of the World cup final. And the biggiest shocker of this all is this being said after 14 minutes of his debute. I cant stress enough how pathetic this BS is EVEN for this forum filled with total assclowns.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but only me, Cron and a couple others have truly pointed out that Candreva was at fault for poor marking during the last goal. The vast, vast majority of the forum was claiming that it was Brazzo's man, or somebody else's fault, and not Candreva's whatsoever. They even say he shouldn't be blamed because he's new.

Seriously, who really are the assclowns here?

 

[Joe]

Candreva came in for Grygera so no matter how hard it was for him to cover the right flank, I think it was what Ciro had asked him. Riise should have been marked by him, that's right but I'm not going to blame a new face on his debut while playing out of position in a wretchedly chaotic team.

Candreva came on for Grygera, but Sali went down as a right back and Candreva entered the midfield.

 

[Alen]

But that's all BS, no disrespect to Alen, of course.

It's the typical, "oh, well so and so player would have done that, too, so it's OK", without any proof.

People have to man up and place blame on Candreva because it was his man. Brazzo had to look after a guy in front of him, and so did our new boy.

It's PATHETIC how folks are not placing any blame on him just because he's new. PATHETIC.

Say, here you go. Bernard Madoff cheated folks out of billions. If he did it, who cares if Moggi did? Bring him back!

No, but the problem here is that from the very start you're kinda overreacting with this.
I agreed with you immediately few pages ago that it was very poor marking and he definitely is to be blamed for that, but your first reaction was "Awful marking, great purchase this was", while in fact this awful marking should and must not change anything regarding Candreva's qualities and what he can offer to the team.

I admitted right away when we signed him that I don't know the guy. Even though I'm a serie A follower, I only had a chance to watch him once for Udinese in the Coppa and once, twice or 3 times at most with Livorno and I didn't pay much attention to him. I did notice some of his qualities, but it's far from enough to form any opinion about him.

I think that at least 99% of the forum watched him just as much or even less than I have and it's impossible to be a fan of his or to dislike him. But with your first post you started questioning him and even blaming him as if he did something awful.

And frankly, I can live with the reactions of the fans here. Some might hype him as much as they want and others can make him a scapegoat. My anger here, even though I mustn't point it at any of you guys, is about the possibility that the fans in Turin might do the same what some are doing here and completely fuck the boy up.

 

[Gep]

Who gives a rats fucking arse who's who's man? FFS. This aint even the first time weve been undone easily with crosses all fucking season and we're moaning about it now. I dont care whos man it was, New guy? hassan? the situation wasnt dealt with. Our attcking is hopeless, far too predictable. Pumping balls for Amauri to ''Try and control'' is a defenders paradise. Sorry to say but we soooo desperately need to start playing with wingers (When we eventually get some) and start with the basics in 4-4-2. Even if that means dropping Diego for a few matches. Having him is wasted as there simply isnt any guys around him (movement wise) to help him. Its easy for oppositions against us.......Oh mark the isolated Diego and thats Juve done and dusted, Fucking Too Easy! final 3rd is the worst ive ever seen. Amauri cant do a dam thing on his own.

 

[Bjerknes]

No, but the problem here is that from the very start you're kinda overreacting with this.
I agreed with you immediately few pages ago that it was very poor marking and he definitely is to be blamed for that, but your first reaction was "Awful marking, great purchase this was", while in fact this awful marking should and must not change anything regarding Candreva's qualities and what he can offer to the team.

Here's what I stated.

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2211203&pp=25&page=3

All I said was a sarcastic "savior" reference. I've maintained that he isn't the guy we need here to really solve our problems, which I made known before his screw up earlier.

 

[sylvester87]

1 thing that is clear to me, is, that the likes of Amauri (I'm sick of seeing him), Legro, Grosso, Cannavaro, Melo, Del Piero, Poulsen, Iaquinta, Trez, Camo, Grygera, Zebina, Molinaro and last but NOT least by any stretch of the imagination CIRO FERRARA should all be gone after this season. Who is not old and past it is either average or downright mediocre, NOT Juventus material.

 

[Bjerknes]

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