[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-0 Roma [December 23rd 2017] (1 Viewer)

[JuveJay]

Entertaining game tbh. Thought we could have killed the game off at a couple of points but we also gave too much away, especially that farcical ending. OK Roma are a good team these days and have dangerous attacking players, but we got lucky as well as the keeper being good.

Players like Benatia are in the same boat as Bonucci of old, you can't play well for 99% of the game it has to be 100% with Juve. Gaffes in big games are usually punished, but even as good as Schick is at this point of his career he's not the finished article in terms of being a clinical finisher.

 

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[juve123]

Entertaining game tbh. Thought we could have killed the game off at a couple of points but we also gave too much away, especially that farcical ending. OK Roma are a good team these days and have dangerous attacking players, but we got lucky as well as the keeper being good.

Players like Benatia are in the same boat as Bonucci of old, you can't play well for 99% of the game it has to be 100% with Juve. Gaffes in big games are usually punished, but even as good as Schick is at this point of his career he's not the finished article in terms of being a clinical finisher.

But every defender do make mistakes it depends on whether it happens regularly or after few games

 

[Alen]

Players like Benatia are in the same boat as Bonucci of old, you can't play well for 99% of the game it has to be 100% with Juve.

As odd as it sounds, the outsider in that defense yesterday was actually Chiellini. In certain moments it seemed like for the first time in more than a decade he's playing for some other team. No Buffon, no Bonucci, while Barzagli was far on the right side. In three occasions there was clear miscommunication in which he was involved. That last Shick chance, then the episode when he left the ball for Florenzi to lob Szczesny, and there was another mistake in minute 71 when, instead of letting the ball go out, he needlessly kicked it out from our box and gifted it to Nainggolan.

 

[Valerio.]

anyone what was that about?
Some japanese drummers XD but for what?

 

[Elvin]

anyone what was that about?
Some japanese drummers XD but for what?

Cygames.

 

[Linebreak]

As odd as it sounds, the outsider in that defense yesterday was actually Chiellini. In certain moments it seemed like for the first time in more than a decade he's playing for some other team. No Buffon, no Bonucci, while Barzagli was far on the right side. In three occasions there was clear miscommunication in which he was involved. That last Shick chance, then the episode when he left the ball for Florenzi to lob Szczesny, and there was another mistake in minute 71 when, instead of letting the ball go out, he needlessly kicked it out from our box and gifted it to Nainggolan.

How about his soft clearance to Nainngolan in the first half which led to a Dzeko shot which luckily went over the bar.

 

[Alen]

How about his soft clearance to Nainngolan in the first half which led to a Dzeko shot which luckily went over the bar.

Aren't we talking about the same thing? I believe it happened in the 2nd half.

Minute 5:52 here:

 

[X Æ A-12]

Entertaining game tbh. Thought we could have killed the game off at a couple of points but we also gave too much away, especially that farcical ending. OK Roma are a good team these days and have dangerous attacking players, but we got lucky as well as the keeper being good.

Players like Benatia are in the same boat as Bonucci of old, you can't play well for 99% of the game it has to be 100% with Juve. Gaffes in big games are usually punished, but even as good as Schick is at this point of his career he's not the finished article in terms of being a clinical finisher.

I think Allegri is aware that the defensive uncertainties persist and part of the reason we see the lineup we have against Nipples, Inter and Roma is because of it. I mean we were practically setup to ensure that those sides get no chances and it primarily worked but you could see why towards end of Roma game and in only last 15 minutes when we dropped tempo Roma should have scored

 

[pavluska]

Well the only recent winners who didn't have Ronaldo or Messi in their squad were teams who hunkered down at basically every moment. Di Matteo's Chelsea. Mourinho's Inter.

The outlier was Heynckes' Bayern which was basically the best Bayern anyone's ever seen.

+rep

This is as much a prep for CL as anything.

Do these fanboys seriously expect us to beat Barca at tiki taka.

We do lack a bit of attacking fluidity now, and that'll be addressed later. Team is being built from the back and as should be. Main problem was defense, and that has been addressed.

And that Bayern team might be the best CL/EC team ever. They were possessed and just ran over everyone. Was better than Pep's & LE's Barcas, better than Sacchi's & Capello's Milan. Only contender is 60s Real.

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They hunkered down against messi or ronaldo teams.

We hunker down against the likes of roma and napoli, and sometimes even against chievo or such. Heck I predict we will hunker down against tottenham in february.

That's the difference.

But we did get the results, and they were better than our struggles at the start of the season when we were scoring a lot of goals.

Like Allegri said, this is just what the team requires atm, team will adjust accordingly during the season based on team requirements and players' forms.

And having "hunkering down" (we actually only did that vs Napoli) as part of your repertoire is better than asking the team to hunker down all of a sudden when it'll be needed. Experience and practice matter.

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As good as our defense and how grest it is for winning league titles it is what shoots us in the foot against big teams when we go into or defense ways an allow teams to attack us freely. Thats we struggle to win the Cl.

It was more fitness issues (& mental ones in 2nd half) in final than tactical.

Overall, tactics vs Barca were perfect even if we do end up sitting too deep sometimes (but Max is against that, points out when we do).

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Aren't we talking about the same thing? I believe it happened in the 2nd half.

Minute 5:52 here:

There was another Chiellini giveaway in 1st half.

 

[Elvin]

And that Bayern team might be the best CL/EC team ever. They were possessed and just ran over everyone. Was better than Pep's & LE's Barcas, better than Sacchi's & Capello's Milan. Only contender is 60s Real.

Agree with everything except that they were better than Pep's Barca.
No team toyed with the opponent, nor dominated like Pep's Barca.
They did get huge ref favors too tho.

 

[Xperd]

Agree with everything except that they were better than Pep's Barca.
No team toyed with the opponent, nor dominated like Pep's Barca.
They did get huge ref favors too tho.

I'd definitely take Pep's Barca over that Bayern

 

[Dino_mk]

I'd definitely take Pep's Barca over that Bayern

And you would end spanked 7:0 like results from that year suggests

 

[Afghan_juventus]

I really wish Heyneck's Bayern faced Pep's Barca. The most well oiled machine of the modern era against the most tactically advanced team.

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And you would end spanked 7:0 like results from that year suggests

That was not Pep's Barca it was Barca with a caretaker. But def impressive still.

 

[Elvin]

With Jupp's Bayern you have to take into consideration their once-in-a-lifetime motivation levels tho
(after the disaster 2012 ending on all fronts).

 

[Dino_mk]

That was not Pep's Barca it was Barca with a caretaker. But def impressive still.

I know that, but wanted to point out that 7up result as reminder of ultimate total dominant force called Bayern that year.

With Jupp's Bayern you have to take into consideration their once-in-a-lifetime motivation levels tho
(after the disaster 2012 ending on all fronts).

 

[Afghan_juventus]

With Jupp's Bayern you have to take into consideration their once-in-a-lifetime motivation levels tho
(after the disaster 2012 ending on all fronts).

They are so lucky to win the CL the next season, no one remembers that season as a Neverkusen. This may sound crazy but I honestly believed and still kinda believed last season's team was just as good just needed more depth and a fit Marchisio......... Mandzukic was next level aswell



Honestly its crazy how much better they were the next season, I dont remember their semis vs Madrid but I do remember them getting pwned by Dortmund quite a few times in 2011-12 season.

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I know that, but wanted to point out that 7up result as reminder of ultimate total dominant force called Bayern that year.

oh then your right. Also thrashed us but somehow were very close to getting ko'd by Arsenal in the round of 16

 

[Xperd]

And you would end spanked 7:0 like results from that year suggests

Against an unmotivated Barca with an injured Messi and a caretaker coach.

Bayern were unreal for one year. Pep's Barca dominated Europe for 3 seasons winning in 2 of those seasons with generation defining players like Xavi, Messi and Iniesta.

Pep's Barca has way more clout to be compared to historic teams of previous era's than Heynckes' Bayern.

 

[juve123]

Against an unmotivated Barca with an injured Messi and a caretaker coach.

Bayern were unreal for one year. Pep's Barca dominated Europe for 3 seasons winning in 2 of those seasons with generation defining players like Xavi, Messi and Iniesta.

Pep's Barca has way more clout to be compared to historic teams of previous era's than Heynckes' Bayern.

But Bayern were really unlucky to lose the final to Chelsea I wish juve had same luck in champions league final

 

[Xperd]

But Bayern were really unlucky to lose the final to Chelsea I wish juve had same luck in champions league final

They weren't unlucky. They choked hard just like we did last season.

 

[zizinho]

They weren't unlucky. They choked hard just like we did last season.

and Barca choked vs inter and chelsea. see, it goes both ways