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Martin

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That 2nd goal from Rocchi was a complete fiasco. We crowded Di Natale like he was Maradona but still let him do his work and left the other post without a man in sight. It's hard to believe a Serie A team could concede a goal that way.
 

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Zlatan

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++ [ originally posted by JuveSuck ] ++
The reluctant Ranger
By Matthew Spiro
The Auxerre defender was impressed by Rangers and feels wanted by the Scots, but won’t confirm if he is moving to Ibrox in the summer



I don’t want to talk about transfers,” says Jean-Alain Boumsong firmly before taking his seat in the interview room at AJ Auxerre’s stadium. The France international who, according to Rangers, signed a pre-contract agreement with the Ibrox club before Christmas, is on his guard. “I’m under contract with Auxerre for another six months,” he insists. “There’s still a lot of work for me to do here, so I don’t want to say, ‘That’s it, I’m off to join this club or that club’, I just want to concentrate on my job.”
When pressed on whether or not Rangers’ claims were correct, he squirms: “It’s not possible for me to say if there is or isn’t a deal in place with Rangers. Right now I just want to concentrate on recovering from my (knee) injury. When I am playing again — in a few weeks — it will be possible to say more.”



Boumsong’s cautious words are at variance with those who call the shots at Rangers: manager Alex McLeish, chairman John McClelland, and honorary chairman David Murray. All have expressed their delight at capturing one of France’s most promising young players last month. But while the Auxerre defender remained evasive on the issue of pre-contracts, he was happy to express his admiration for Rangers and appears to have his heart set on a move to Ibrox.

“I have been to Glasgow for talks and was impressed by what I saw and what I heard,” he explains. “I got on very well with the manager, I got on very well with David Murray and also with the director of football (business) Martin Bain. From a human point of view they all came across very well, and for me human relations is the most important factor.”

An intelligent and personable individual, Boumsong repeatedly emphasises the importance of human relations. He regards himself a good judge of character and believes that in McLeish, Murray and Bain, he has found three people he can trust. “In life you have to go with your instincts, and I left the meeting in Glasgow with good vibes,” he adds. “They made it clear that they wanted me and I found what Alex McLeish had to say interesting. They are in the process of building a young team and are showing ambition.”

Liverpool, Arsenal, Juventus and Inter Milan all expressed an interest in signing Boumsong, but crucially none of those clubs showed the same level of decisiveness as Rangers. Monaco-based agent Willie Mackay was keen to claim credit for setting up the deal with Rangers, though Boumsong laughs off the suggestion that Mackay has played an important part. “It’s true that we bumped into each other at Marc-Vivien Foé’s memorial match and we spoke about Rangers,” he says. “But Rangers were interested in me before then. He helped initiate the contact, but that’s it. I have my own agent. If there is anyone who is responsible it’s me, because I’m a good player and the sort of player Rangers are looking for.”

In reality it was Liverpool’s handling of Boumsong — which stood in stark contrast to the red-carpet treatment he received at Rangers — that helped make up the 24-year-old’s mind. Gerard Houllier first inquired about Boumsong when he was a teenager at Le Havre. Four years later, Boumsong was still waiting to receive a concrete offer from the Reds: “They kept telling me to wait and wait. I wasn’t getting a good feeling from Liverpool and there comes a point when you think, ‘Why keep on waiting for something when you don’t even know if what you’re waiting for will be worth it’?”

More than anything, Boumsong needs to feel wanted. He spent the first two seasons of his career at Le Havre but, when they were relegated in 2000, he opted to join Auxerre. His reasons for choosing Auxerre sound familiar. “It was clear that I was a priority for them,” he says. “Bastia were also interested, but Auxerre really wanted me.” Shortly after making a verbal agreement with Auxerre, Boumsong was contacted by Lyon. “I turned them down because I’d given Auxerre my word. I am a loyal person,” he adds.

This season, with time running out on his Auxerre contract, Boumsong was once more in need of security and did not feel he could count on Liverpool. “In football you never know what is around the corner. Before Christmas I injured my knee against Lens. Thank God it was not serious but if it had been and I’d been ruled out for the season, no one would be interested in me. In the summer my contract with Auxerre would be finished, and I’d be unemployed. I couldn’t wait for Liverpool forever.” Liverpool’s loss looks set to be Rangers’ gain. For there can be little doubt that the signing of Boumsong, an outstanding young central defender capped three times by France in the last six months, would represent a considerable coup.

At 6ft 3in, he cuts an imposing figure and his powerful defensive play has seen him billed in France as the “new Marcel Desailly”. Slightly embarrassed by the notion, Boumsong is none the less flattered. “It’s quite a complement,” he says. “If I have three-quarters the career of Desailly, that’d be great. If I manage to achieve as much as he has, it’d be unbelievable. When I look back at his career and see how consistent he has been, I know what the benchmark is for me.”

Yet the reality is that Boumsong is very much knocking on Desailly’s door and could even take the Chelsea defender’s place at Euro 2004. Jacques Santini, the France manager, has admitted he is concerned by the captain’s injury problems and lack of matches at Stamford Bridge, and Boumsong — along with Lilian Thuram and William Gallas — is a leading candidate to step into the centre of defence alongside Mikael Silvestre. “For now my objective is to make sure I go to Port-ugal,” insists Boumsong, who scored his first goal for France in the Euro 2004 qualifier against Israel in October. “If I was in the starting line up against England it’d be a dream come true, but there is a lot of competition in the France squad and few players are sure of their places. In any case, I can assure you that Desailly is not finished,” he adds.

Boumsong’s quest for a regular place is unlikely to be made easier by a move to Scotland, but he is prepared to take the risk. Reports that he had discussed the move with Santini are, however, false. “Completely and utterly made up,” the player sighs. “I have not spoken to Jacques Santini about Rangers and I am not planning to. This is a decision that I have to make on my own and thenface the consequences, whatever they may be.”

Certainly, Boumsong has the brains to make big decisions without being swayed by others. Born in Douala, Cameroon, he moved to France at the age of 14 with the intention of becoming a doctor. “That was what I had my heart set on,” he recalls. “Of course, playing professional football was also a dream, but I had not played much in Cameroon. I never had a licence to play for a club, so I did not consider it a realistic career option.” That soon changed when he was picked for the Ile de France regional team and subsequently attracted the attention of a host of First Division clubs. “Auxerre were interested but I wanted to continue my studies so I signed for Le Havre where there is also a university.”

It was not possible for Boumsong to study medicine in Le Havre — “it got complicated because the medical school wasn’t happy about me playing First Division football every Saturday” — so he opted to take, and pass, a degree in mathematics. “It gives me a concrete qualification,” he reasons. “If ever my football career goes wrong, I know I could earn a living as an engineer, for example.” With the studies finished, Boumsong spends most of his spare time reading, “mainly economic journals or newspapers such as Le Figaro, although I also like to read novels that are based on true stories”.

So if Boumsong is so clever and so talented, why is he moving to Scotland? “I know the Scottish League is not particularly strong,” he says, “but there are European cups to think about, too. The possibility of playing in the Champions League every season is what attracts me most. A footballer takes a step forward every time he plays in the Champions League.” But McClelland’s claim that Boumsong could be the cornerstone of the side for years to come was shot down by the Frenchman. “I’d like to play for a top club in England and I think that playing for a couple of seasons at Rangers would serve as a good springboard for that,” he adds ominously.

Rangers supporters will no doubt be wary. Past experience tells them that so-called “world-class” players do not come to Ibrox any more unless there is a snag. The club have made a habit of signing high-profile players on extortionate wages, only for them to turn out to be either injury-prone, past their best or both. It is a policy that has allowed Celtic to regain supremacy in Scotland and left Rangers with crippling debts of £68m. Boumsong, though, who has reportedly agreed a five-year contract worth £45,000 a week, is adamant that he is not about to become Rangers’ latest world-class flop. “If I do go to Scotland, I won’t be going just to earn lots of money and to sleep,” he insists. “I’d be going there to win trophies. And I’m not just talking about winning trophies in Scotland, I’m talking about European titles.”

The strapping Frenchman certainly talks a good game, but something continues to niggle away inside his head that is preventing him from making the transfer official. Asked whether his injury has led to complications, he is insistent: “No, no. They’re aware of the situation and they know that the injury is not serious.” Perhaps he is waiting for another club to come in? “No, I’m fed up of waiting.”

Certainly Boumsong’s mind seems focused on Rangers and in “a few weeks” he will speak more freely on the subject. “For the time being, all I can say to the Rangers supporters is that they should have faith in their management. They are good people and they can be trusted.”

For Boumsong, it always boils down to trust. Whether the Rangers fans can rely upon him remains to be seen.

IMO there are better options out there, so I personaly wouldnt want him.


And I do believe Moggi will sign a new defender or two in the next few days.

I think he'll sell Olivera to Flamengo with a "sell-to-Juventus" clause wich will be slightly higher than they pay us for him. That way we'll open up a non EU space and Olivera would still be practically ours. And I think Moggi will bring in Ferrari in the next week.
 

Zlatan

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++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
That 2nd goal from Rocchi was a complete fiasco. We crowded Di Natale like he was Maradona but still let him do his work and left the other post without a man in sight. It's hard to believe a Serie A team could concede a goal that way.
Thats only one of the problems imo. We cant bring the ball out of our hald properly, Iuliano IIRC lost the ball that led to the second goal, and to top that off, he completely forgot to mark Rocchi.

I think our defenders are over confident, without a good reason. A few times Thuram passed the ball waaay to close to the opponents, even when he was alone in defence. I dont like it at all.
 
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++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
Anyone think it would be a good idea to swap Di Vaio for Rocchi? :D
Difficult to rate the guy, he was playing against our defence afterall.

Just seen the highlights on La Domenica Sportiva, all the goals were givaways (less so the first) the second was disgraceful. The zonenal defence with such slow (and old) derfeders isn't working, we are leaving too much space to be exploited by fast players.
 

Juventino

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++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
That 2nd goal from Rocchi was a complete fiasco. We crowded Di Natale like he was Maradona but still let him do his work and left the other post without a man in sight. It's hard to believe a Serie A team could concede a goal that way.
U said it man... it looked so damn bad, all players marking the opponent while the other is set free to score.... :fero:
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Well, to start with, i dont know how Empoli beat us 3 times. I hope Rocchi doesnt spread ne tips on how to beat the Juve defense. :down:
Not that any one would need any tips neway. Our defense just doesnt have the legs anymore. And its just going to nullify our superb attacking force.
Better late than never, i think Moggi has gotten his wake up call with this scoreline.
As for the result, it isnt all that bad considering, whats happened around us. Its still a 3 horse race. But room for error has been reduced a great deal with us falling to 3rd.


PS: Trez hattrick. Well, i think ive done pretty well with my striker mania prediction. Thats 3*5! :D
 

Pete

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I'm really disappointed..it sounded like an awesome match for a neutral and agonising for a Juventino. Why must we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.. :(
 
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Lippi is getting grilled by the panel about the defence, a defence that has conceded 21 goals, that has conceded 5 in the last 2 games against teams in the bottom half of the table.
 
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    What a game! Six goals and only two players on the scoresheet! Today the goals conceded were due to the fact that Rocchi was open all of the damn time! Where were Iuliano and Montero? Surely one of the two should've been marking that guy!

    Thuram isn't near the top of his game, and nearly cost us by dribbling in the central defence. Zambrotta was ok with some nice runs, while Conte and Tacchinardi distributed the ball pretty well but couldn't match Grella and co for hustle and workrate.

    Camoranesi sucked imo, while Nedved didn't do very much in the first half. Del Piero excelled in patches with a few nice touches here and there and a superb aerial ball for Trezeguet, but never really threatened Luca Bucci's goal, though to be fair the service to him wasn't very good. I would've subbed Camo for Miccoli and moved Alex out onto the left, where Di Vaio didn't offer anything.

    Trezeguet worked harder than usual today and it paid off as he scored a nice hat-trick. The calmness and coolness he showed on his second and third goals was impressive, so hats off to him.

    Miccoli made an immediate impact with an excellent assist and a few testing free kicks. Overall, the performance could've been alot better, and the result very disappointing as this was a great chance to close in on Roma.
     

    Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by Holdon ] ++
    Lippi is getting grilled by the panel about the defence, a defence that has conceded 21 goals, that has conceded 5 in the last 2 games against teams in the bottom half of the table.
    And rightly so, the defence is below par.
     
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    Boniek has suggested putting Thuram in the centre of the defence, with Pessotto on the right. It's the only sensible option unless we buy in the coming week. Another panelist has said Ferrari is the ideal player for us, and slagged off Legro, LOL!!
     

    Roman

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    Apr 19, 2003
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    Well what a game.......pheeewwww....
    i am very disapointed coz we are 3 points away from Roma and will be 5 from Milan on Wednsday.............:wallbang::wallbang::wallbang:
    Well...what can i say about the match:
    Buffon is really having a drop in from he lost some easy balls,and wasn't convincing at all.
    In our defence Zambrotta was ok,the as he always does but fine.(In comparison to Montero OR IULIANO)
    Thuram-the only one who didn't make stupid stuff,and the only one who could stop Di Natalie.What i didn't like was his dribrilng near our box that could have been fatal ball drops.
    Iuliano -was a joke...as simple as it is.never liked him.He was slow at every occasion with their forwards.
    Montero- not at his best,not a good match.even a bad one.

    Conte- was fine,was trying at least all the game.
    Tach- was also well...They together made some moves,passes....nice.
    Camo- was bad today,he always tried to driblle and always lost the ball,that really pissed me off everytime he did it!!!
    Nedved- wasn't Nedved today!Bad game.Tried,made runnig but in overall for the Nedved we know it was a bad match!

    Del piero -started pretty nice but then.....i dunno he disapeared bad match.
    TREZ-Our hero tonight!!!i am happy for him as he recovered his goal-touch and got his(ours) goals.He was there where he was supposed to be and knock it in.so he did.also he always was cming back to take the ball and pass it forward.really good game.
    Pessoto-...hmm....hard to say...didn't do something special niether was bad.
    Miccoli-great assist!Good job.Some nice moves,damn he needs to play!!!
    Di Vaio-did nothing..i can understand him,he also wants to play!

    Overall i'm happy we got at least a draw from such a game,but really Lippi and co needs to make some thinking..........
    They showed Bettega and MOGGI at the stadium and they looked so pissed........and ashamed.......
    I hope Moggi will now understand!!!!Get Defender for god sake!This week!


    Forza Juve!
     

    Zlatan

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    That was exactly what Lippi did, he played Thuram in the centre, Montero on his left and Pessotto on his right. Pessotto then pushed forward as a wing back leaving only Thuram and Montero back when we were in offence.
     

    Mark

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    ++ [ originally posted by Art^ ] ++
    Krøldrup is waste. He is also clumsy like Juliano. But since he is dane... Then bring him in anyway :D
    Nobody is clumsier than Iuliano. Kroldrup is not waste. He's young and that's what we need for our defense. He's having a great year at Udinese. Give him time. He's better than Martin Laursen. Also, he plays left center back and there's not a lot of good player that play that position. Maldini, Chivu, Lucio(is he that good defensively?).....
     

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