[SCO] Scottish Premier league (21 Viewers)

[Roverbhoy]

Table after today:

1 Rangers 5 15 15
2 Hibernian 5 4 11

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3 Celtic 4 10 10

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4 Dundee Utd 5 5 10
5 Motherwell 4 2 9
6 Kilmarnock 5 0 7
7 St Mirren 4 -1 6
8 Aberdeen 5 -2 5
9 Falkirk 5 -7 3
10 Hearts 4 -6 2
11 Gretna 5 -11 1

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12 Inverness CT 5 -9 0


Results today:

Dundee Utd 2-0 Falkirk

CT Hibernian 1-0 Inverness

Kilmarnock 0-1 Aberdeen

Rangers 4-0 Gretna

 

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[Red]

haha same with me!i dont know anything about him other than he is your typical african def. mid.

good deal for Celtic, i heard they got about £2m for Miller. Not a bad deal for a player who cant shoot. pass or control a ball.




i wouldnt agree with that except for the fact that nobody really likes either of the old firm. Both sets of fans are sectarian. I have even heard sectarianism from Partick fans, St.Mirren fans, Dundee Utd fans.......

Yet another average player for Rangers, who will be on a pretty big wage can only be good news.

I heard it was nearer £3m Celtic got for miller which is an excellent deal for a player who is only a slight improvement on Darren Mackie.

Unfortunately almost all Scottish teams have some sort of sectarian element. Of the top 8 or so teams in the country, Aberdeen are probably the cleanest in term of bigotry, however some sections have a habit of singing Celtic songs to wind up Rangers. It is unfortunate they do because it only takes us down to thir level.

 

[Roverbhoy]

You know, there is an argument that you have little or no sectarian since you are the only city with one team...singing sectarian songs may be insulting to a large section of your own support either way...

 

[Red]

You know, there is an argument that you have little or no sectarian since you are the only city with one team...singing sectarian songs may be insulting to a large section of your own support either way...

It may well be because we don't have a Catholic and Protestant team in the city, I've never given it much thought.

I don't think many folk would really be offended by sectarian singing, just angry that it would give the weegie press the chance to tar us with the same brush as the Old Firm. Given that we are accused of singing about the Ibrox 'Disaster', which I have never heard sung in any ground despite several trips to Ibrox, they would certainly love the chance to accuse us of sectarian singing.

 

[AngelaL]

You know, there is an argument that you have little or no sectarian since you are the only city with one team...singing sectarian songs may be insulting to a large section of your own support either way...

Hibs/hearts, Dundee/Dundee Utd - there is a Catholic/protestant divide, but they are nowhere near as bad as the "Old Firm" and subsequently there is less trouble between the fans. There is an element of "upbringing" involved too. In the west coast, families actually teach their children the bigotry. Even before they start school children are singing sectarian songs. This has gone on ever since the Irish immigrants who brought this with them, came to Scotland. As most of them settled in the west coast, the problem is worst there.

 

[VoteChiamparino]

undee/Dundee Utd - there is a Catholic/protestant divide, but they are nowhere near as bad as the "Old Firm" .

Are you sure. I wasn't aware of that as their grounds are next to each other. I mean no more than 100 yards distance ?

 

[AngelaL]

Are you sure. I wasn't aware of that as their grounds are next to each other. I mean no more than 100 yards distance ?

That's right, they are, but what I said is correct! Fortunately Dundee is not on the west coast, and the bigotry is much more diluted there. It's almost, but not quite gone.

 

[VoteChiamparino]

That's right, they are, but what I said is correct! Fortunately Dundee is not on the west coast, and the bigotry is much more diluted there. It's almost, but not quite gone.

Ok, thanks for putting me right on that. You live and learn on here, do you ?

 

[Red]

Ok, thanks for putting me right on that. You live and learn on here, do you ?

You get a bit of an insight into other cultures and so you do learn quite a bit.

In Scotland the further North and East you are the less bigotry there is.

Glasgow is the main culprit but it is generally more of a problem in the central belt.

 

[Roverbhoy]

There is an element of "upbringing" involved too. In the west coast, families actually teach their children the bigotry. Even before they start school children are singing sectarian songs. This has gone on ever since the Irish immigrants who brought this with them, came to Scotland. As most of them settled in the west coast, the problem is worst there.

AngleaL, I understand why you may have this impression, but really I don't think this reflects the true situation...

perhaps a teeny, weenie amount of parents teach their children this on both sides, but by far not true for the overwhelming majority...it happens later in life for a whole load of sad reasons...:frown:

...for example, mixed marriages are more common than perhaps you would expect...Alex Ferguson, Kenny Dalgleish, etc...even my own grand parents...not an issue...no one ostrsicised or burned out of their home for this...for a time in the 50's and 60's it was in fact the norm only a tiny amount of families encouraged bigotry...

As for Irish imigrants, you must appreciate their arguments that they were told they were British subjects, but when they moved within the boundaries of their own country due to reasons of extreme poverty, they were treated as fourth class citizens...perhaps again some did bring this with them or didn't conduct themselves well, I don't know...but more Irish imigrants moved to England (seen as the true enemy by many of them) but they seem to have been welcomed better there and there doesn't seem to be any great evidence of bigotry?...why not if this was bred into them as you suggest?

...its a complex issue...both sides have arguments...but we can't blame one side more than the other


As for me I'm mostly from Scottish blood, only small amount of Irish in me, and can't quite understand why the west of Scotland has this problem when the same set of circumstances seem to exist in many parts of the UK

 

[AngelaL]

AngleaL, I understand why you may have this impression, but really I don't think this reflects the true situation...

perhaps a teeny, weenie amount of parents teach their children this on both sides, but by far not true for the overwhelming majority...it happens later in life for a whole load of sad reasons...:frown:

...for example, mixed marriages are more common than perhaps you would expect...Alex Ferguson, Kenny Dalgleish, etc...even my own grand parents...not an issue...no one ostrsicised or burned out of their home for this...for a time in the 50's and 60's it was in fact the norm only a tiny amount of families encouraged bigotry...

As for Irish imigrants, you must appreciate their arguments that they were told they were British subjects, but when they moved within the boundaries of their own country due to reasons of extreme poverty, they were treated as fourth class citizens...perhaps again some did bring this with them or didn't conduct themselves well, I don't know...but more Irish imigrants moved to England (seen as the true enemy by many of them) but they seem to have been welcomed better there and there doesn't seem to be any great evidence of bigotry?...why not if this was bred into them as you suggest?

...its a complex issue...both sides have arguments...but we can't blame one side more than the other


As for me I'm mostly from Scottish blood, only small amount of Irish in me, and can't quite understand why the west of Scotland has this problem when the same set of circumstances seem to exist in many parts of the UK

Don't get me wrong, Roverbhoy! I like the Irish, but they did bring the bigotry with them. It's the only thing I don't like about them. I don't like to see Scots with that attitude either. I'm lucky! The street where I live, all the kids play happily together regardless of their religion. However, when the little lad next door started school he was "befriended" by a boy who started spouting bigotry and singing sectarian songs - he didn't learn that at school. Fortunately, little Connor stopped associating with him within days. Also,when I was a little kid, we had two Irish families living in our street; - One catholicne protestant. They got along with everyone, except each other. The men, women and even their children arguing and fighting in the street. It was an ugly sight to see. The only reason they hated each other was that one family were catholic and the other protestant. No-one was ever seriously hurt, but it was a very unpleasant thing to witness.

Yes, mixed marriages do occur. My own family included. It's true bigots are on the decline, but there are still some bigots left (unfortunately) and we should clamp down on their bigotry, because although their number is dwindling, they need to be educated that what they are doing is wrong and socially unacceptable. If we refuse to tolerate bigotry, perhaps we'll get rid of it quicker. I feel that bigotry should no longer have a place in Scotland or any civilised society.

It is true that the Irish also immigrated to England, and IMO, our Irish cousins were treated very badly there. I can understand why the Irish feel the way they do about it.

England did have catholic/protestant football teams (the most obvious being Liverpool/Everton and the two Manchester clubs), but bigotry has been pretty well buried there. Like you, I thought that they did not have our problem, but an English couple informed me that quite a few English clubs were founded with a catholic/protestant divide, but it was no longer a problem. I wish that Scotland would do likewise. That's why I hate "the bigot brothers" as Juve_Red calls them - because they are still tolerating such behaviour, (and so do the SFA).

 

[Red]

Sad how much of a Scottish Football thread is spend discussing sectarianism.

Just goes to show how big a part of Scottish football it is.




Anyway,

CIS Insurance Cup - third round draw:

Inverness CT v Gretna
East Fife v Rangers
Falkirk v Dundee United
Dundee v Celtic
Hearts v Dunfermline Athletic
Hamilton Accies v Kilmarnock
Hibernian v Motherwell
Partick Thistle v Aberdeen


A typically tough draw for Rangers.

Will there be more than 1000 folk at ICT v Gretna? I doubt it.

And a fun return, a year on, to the seen of arguably the most embarassing result in Aberdeens history.

 

[AngelaL]

Sad how much of a Scottish Football thread is spend discussing sectarianism.

Just goes to show how big a part of Scottish football it is.

Unless, the SFA clamp down on it, it will remain so, I'm afraid.

Anyway,

CIS Insurance Cup - third round draw:

Inverness CT v Gretna
East Fife v Rangers
Falkirk v Dundee United
Dundee v Celtic
Hearts v Dunfermline Athletic
Hamilton Accies v Kilmarnock
Hibernian v Motherwell
Partick Thistle v Aberdeen


A typically tough draw for Rangers.

Will there be more than 1000 folk at ICT v Gretna? I doubt it.

And a fun return, a year on, to the seen of arguably the most embarassing result in Aberdeens history.

More than 1000? I don't think so, but I wouldn't grudge them more spectators. I like "wee teams" - less bigotry there!


Inverness CT v Gretna - 2 "wee part-timers" pretty evenly matched.

East Fife v Rangers - now I wonder who pogled that!

Falkirk v Dundee United - Not as evenly matched as the first game, but not much between them.

Dundee v Celtic - Dundee will try their best, but I think Celtic will go through (of course).

Hearts v Dunfermline Athletic - The little team will rise to the occasion as they always do, but I'd go for a win for the Jambo's .

Hamilton Accies v Kilmarnock - Two nitty-gritty teams here - a tough little match

Hibernian v Motherwell - Hard to say, I don't know Motherwell that well, - hmmmm.... I'll go with the Hibees.

Partick Thistle v Aberdeen - Tough little part-timers, but the Dons should not be too troubled. Although, if I remember 'Thistle correctly, the Dons should watch their ankles if they're tackled.

What do you think?

 

[Red]

I wouldn't disagree with any of your match predictions.

Aberdeen have a diaboical record in the cups in recent years, so I can't say I'm confident. We should of course win but who knows.

 

[Roverbhoy]

More than 1000? I don't think so, but I wouldn't grudge them more spectators. I like "wee teams" - less bigotry there!

...hehe...ever been to an Albion Rovers v Airdrie match?

I suspect another shock winner this year...how about the Pars?

 

[AngelaL]

...hehe...ever been to an Albion Rovers v Airdrie match?

I suspect another shock winner this year...how about the Pars?

I've seen both teams, but not playing against each other.

 

[Bozi]

hey guys had a few problems with switching my internet provider, will be back soon....some interesting reading here, though i see juve_step is back, talked to him on msn a long while back and realised then he was nopt worth teh time and effort

OK, soo....Rangers and Celtic hate each other, Aberdeen also hates Rangers and vice-versa probably. Who then hates Celtic other than Rangers?

And who hates Hearts, they can't be left alone?

the SFA hate hearts:faq1: especially after miko's "professional" dive against scotland......i predict he will have to have his leg amputated at the knee before he gets another free-kick decision in the league

Nobody likes Celtic, but nobody really has a proper hatred of them, except Rangers.

Hibs hate Hearts. There is also an increasing rivalry between Aberdeen and Hearts, since we have been competing forthird place the last few years.

aberdeen and hearts have always had a wee bit of a niggle but not too much simply as they are the most succesful clubs outwith the old firm, it has taken on more significance lately and intensified because everyone dislikes our despot dictator...sorry ...owner and absolutely EVERYONE hates jimmy calderwood, i bet even his wife spits in his tea

Everyone hates rangers, except rangers fans, of course! This is because they bring disgrace to Scottish football. For example, their bigoted singing of "being up to their knees in catholic's blood" - even abroad! Even those who do not support teams in the SPL are disgusted with them.

The Jambo's rivals were originally the Hibees (Hibernian), but there is a bit of rivalry between the Dons and the Jambos too.When my mum followed Aberdeen, there was some rivalry between the Arabs (Dundee United) and the Dons.

personally i hate both sides of teh old firm more than anyone else as i cannot stand what both of them stand for, they are both as bad as each other

Hibs/hearts, Dundee/Dundee Utd - there is a Catholic/protestant divide, but they are nowhere near as bad as the "Old Firm" and subsequently there is less trouble between the fans. There is an element of "upbringing" involved too. In the west coast, families actually teach their children the bigotry. Even before they start school children are singing sectarian songs. This has gone on ever since the Irish immigrants who brought this with them, came to Scotland. As most of them settled in the west coast, the problem is worst there.

quick question....who are the protestant team in dundee??united-because they wear orange? remember that they started off as dundee hibernians before they changed their name so they are more catholic originated than anything.

plus as for teh hearts-hibs question that is a very common misconception. i am catholic, all my dads side of the family are catholic and we are all hearts fans. my mums side of the family are all protestant (my uncle is a very open mason) and are all hibs fans. in fact i have many friends who are hibbies and i honestly could not tell you one single catholic among them, in saying that though we do not really care one way or the other, we leave the sectarianism to the bigot brothers.

sure there are a small element of sectarian supporters in any club but these are the sort of guys who need knuckle protectors when they walk

 

[Red]

Dundee are the Protestant team, contrary to popular belief.

 

[AngelaL]

Dundee are the Protestant team, contrary to popular belief.

plus as for teh hearts-hibs question that is a very common misconception. i am catholic, all my dads side of the family are catholic and we are all hearts fans. my mums side of the family are all protestant (my uncle is a very open mason) and are all hibs fans. in fact i have many friends who are hibbies and i honestly could not tell you one single catholic among them, in saying that though we do not really care one way or the other, we leave the sectarianism to the bigot brothers.

sure there are a small element of sectarian supporters in any club but these are the sort of guys who need knuckle protectors when they walk

As you say (emboldened part) most fans of other clubs have this attitude and have supporters of both catholic and protestants. As for the bigot brothers, I know personally of only ONE protestant who supports Celtic (I mean real supporter- not "glory hunter") and Zero catholics that support rangers. Personally I don't think enough is done to eradicate bigotry in those two teams.

 

[Red]

When going to Glasgow for the Scotland game, I made made it 5 minutes into the city before getting held up by a fucking marching band, Rutherglen Loyal or whtever it was.

Disgusting.

I hate Glasgow.