Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs i.e. the UK's tax authority.
They are the major creditor in this case, not a bank.
They are the major creditor in this case, not a bank.
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Total debt, as of 5th April, was £134m and it has gone up since then.
Of that figure, about £90m was due to HMRC.
Rangers didn't have a hope of paying off that debt (and the deliberate tax evasion of many years meant HMRC weren't about to do a deal with them).
That's why they are being wound up (and hoping to reform Naples Soccer style).
Of that figure, about £90m was due to HMRC.
Rangers didn't have a hope of paying off that debt (and the deliberate tax evasion of many years meant HMRC weren't about to do a deal with them).
That's why they are being wound up (and hoping to reform Naples Soccer style).
Pulling a scam to avoid paying taxes on player wages for 10+ years that just got found out about recently, which also meant there were penalties and interest to be paid.
And the owner who took over last year basically decided to fund the club by paying no tax on wages, so he racked up several million more.
And the owner who took over last year basically decided to fund the club by paying no tax on wages, so he racked up several million more.
I very much doubt SKY would walk away from Scottish football.
The deal may well be renegotiated, though.
The deal isn't that good anyway and it's fixed so that Ranger and Celtic get most of it.
Most teams wouldn't lose much if the deal was smaller but Rangers not being in the league was used to redistribute the money more fairly.
That would just cause Celtic to lose out and they can't possibly allow Rangers back in because their fans would go nuts.
Take Aberdeen as an example:
Two visits from Rangers (though it was only one visit last season): £25 a ticket x 6,000 = £150,000
Increase in home attendance required to nullify that: £150,000/38 games = ~£4,000 per game/£25 = ~160 extra folk attending each game across the season.
Very easy to do if Aberdeen are vaguely decent and in danger of achieving something, which is more likely in a fair, competitive league.
Keep in mind also that Celtic fans have said they will boycott any team who votes yes to Rangers getting into the SPL, so the situation could be just as bad if Rangers are voted in.
And thousands of Aberdeen fans (including myself) will stop going if the club votes Rangers back in.
The deal may well be renegotiated, though.
The deal isn't that good anyway and it's fixed so that Ranger and Celtic get most of it.
Most teams wouldn't lose much if the deal was smaller but Rangers not being in the league was used to redistribute the money more fairly.
That would just cause Celtic to lose out and they can't possibly allow Rangers back in because their fans would go nuts.
Take Aberdeen as an example:
Two visits from Rangers (though it was only one visit last season): £25 a ticket x 6,000 = £150,000
Increase in home attendance required to nullify that: £150,000/38 games = ~£4,000 per game/£25 = ~160 extra folk attending each game across the season.
Very easy to do if Aberdeen are vaguely decent and in danger of achieving something, which is more likely in a fair, competitive league.
Keep in mind also that Celtic fans have said they will boycott any team who votes yes to Rangers getting into the SPL, so the situation could be just as bad if Rangers are voted in.
And thousands of Aberdeen fans (including myself) will stop going if the club votes Rangers back in.
AFC statement:
"Yesterday's announcement that Rangers FC will reform as a New Co brings a degree of clarity to the situation. However there are a number of other investigations ongoing.
Like everyone we wish to see them resolved as soon as possible.
"A large numbers of our supporters have made their views and feelings very clear and as a Club I can assure everyone that these are being taken into account. The integrity of sport in general and football in particular must be central to any decision.
"This issue has our full attention and we will communicate any decisions we take in relation to this situation with our supporters in a transparent way at an appropriate time."
Reading between the lines: yeah, we'll probably vote no, so will you please stop harrassing us constantly.
"Yesterday's announcement that Rangers FC will reform as a New Co brings a degree of clarity to the situation. However there are a number of other investigations ongoing.
Like everyone we wish to see them resolved as soon as possible.
"A large numbers of our supporters have made their views and feelings very clear and as a Club I can assure everyone that these are being taken into account. The integrity of sport in general and football in particular must be central to any decision.
"This issue has our full attention and we will communicate any decisions we take in relation to this situation with our supporters in a transparent way at an appropriate time."
Reading between the lines: yeah, we'll probably vote no, so will you please stop harrassing us constantly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18422397
^^ Series of quotes from SPL Chairmen on how they will be voting. The correct way (In my opinion) for any club is to ask the fans. There are far too many variables for anybody to be able to calculate what will be the best route forward. I seriously seriously hope that Lawell doesn't vote 'yes' on behalf of Celtic.
I just can't get over how Rangers are acting like they don't deserve any of this. Far too many Celtic fans (and fans of other clubs of course) spend too much time being anti-Rangers rather than being a Celtic fan. I'm not one of them - I normally don't give a flying fuck what Rangers are up to, but in this case I have absolutely no sympathy for them. They deserve it all - they really do! Good riddance.
^^ Series of quotes from SPL Chairmen on how they will be voting. The correct way (In my opinion) for any club is to ask the fans. There are far too many variables for anybody to be able to calculate what will be the best route forward. I seriously seriously hope that Lawell doesn't vote 'yes' on behalf of Celtic.
I just can't get over how Rangers are acting like they don't deserve any of this. Far too many Celtic fans (and fans of other clubs of course) spend too much time being anti-Rangers rather than being a Celtic fan. I'm not one of them - I normally don't give a flying fuck what Rangers are up to, but in this case I have absolutely no sympathy for them. They deserve it all - they really do! Good riddance.
http://celticfc.net/newsstory?item=2682
"ON May 28, 1888, the newly-formed Celtic Football Club played their first
ever game, beating Rangers 5-2. On April 29, 2012, the newly-crowned
Scottish champions took to the field for the last derby match, and beat Rangers 3-0."
And I've heard that radio adverts for Celtic season tickets or new jerseys or whatever end with the line 'Celtic - always have been, always will be'
"ON May 28, 1888, the newly-formed Celtic Football Club played their first
ever game, beating Rangers 5-2. On April 29, 2012, the newly-crowned
Scottish champions took to the field for the last derby match, and beat Rangers 3-0."
And I've heard that radio adverts for Celtic season tickets or new jerseys or whatever end with the line 'Celtic - always have been, always will be'
The SPL is completely seperate from the Scottish Football League (SFL), so in theory being kicked out of the SPL would leave them without a league to play in.
The assumption is that "Rangers" would be allowed straight into Division 3 because it would bring more money than could be turned down at that level.
I still believe there is an excellent chance they won't be playing football at all next season.
The assumption is that "Rangers" would be allowed straight into Division 3 because it would bring more money than could be turned down at that level.
I still believe there is an excellent chance they won't be playing football at all next season.
What do you mean finish them?
Rangers are finished (or they will be once the liquidation is complete).
This new "Rangers" may well not survive without going straight into the SPL.
And I'm really not sure the fans will go with "Rangers". Supporters Trusts have advised fans against buying season tickets and The Sun and the Daily Record - the two main Glasgow propoganda spewers - don't like the new owner, so aren't encouraging fans to get behind the new club.
Rangers are finished (or they will be once the liquidation is complete).
This new "Rangers" may well not survive without going straight into the SPL.
And I'm really not sure the fans will go with "Rangers". Supporters Trusts have advised fans against buying season tickets and The Sun and the Daily Record - the two main Glasgow propoganda spewers - don't like the new owner, so aren't encouraging fans to get behind the new club.