38 or so Australians on board that plane. And those cocksucking cunts still haven’t paid the price for deliberately shooting it down.
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lol, there we go again with the labeling. I didnt say that did i ? i clearly mentioned there actually are different sources that will show a more nuanced view (couple of pages back)
Anyways, second bolded part: fair point, i dont live in the US/Canada so you probably have better knowledge of the news outlets there than me.
What i can say from living in Europe is that the Media is extremely controlled here with little flex here too (passively or actively). In fact that is the point i was going at for the last pages.
Anyways, second bolded part: fair point, i dont live in the US/Canada so you probably have better knowledge of the news outlets there than me.
What i can say from living in Europe is that the Media is extremely controlled here with little flex here too (passively or actively). In fact that is the point i was going at for the last pages.
I just sit and think about all the current scathing articles and attacks in media on our current sitting PM (who is part of the conservative LNP party and who has a huge backing by the filthy Murdoch aligned media) and I just wonder what would happen to most of these tv and print journalists if they tried to do the same in a country like Russia or China 
Thanks for the kind words and i appreciate that, altough i dont mind being dissed, its part of discussion.
i dont have any doubts about Putin or Kreml and know they are full of shit. I just hardly dispute the West being a beacon of shining light for freedom. I think we need to be honest about our society and recognize its flaws. Its important.
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i dont have any doubts about Putin or Kreml and know they are full of shit. I just hardly dispute the West being a beacon of shining light for freedom. I think we need to be honest about our society and recognize its flaws. Its important.
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Sure. I probably went over the top with deep state conspiracy crazies comparison… my apologies. You haven’t said anything that deserved that…. but I and others here think you’re going way over the top when you say there is little difference between Kremlin controlled state media and the media we have in the west. While the government’s everywhere have vested interest in controlling and manipulating media reporting and stories to suit the narratives they want out there, there is at least a significant protection of freedom of speech in the west that doesn’t exist elsewhere. Else how did Trump get lambasted daily in the media for 4 years while president and despite his frequently voiced wishes to open up libel, slander and put journos in prison, he never could? Or how can Trudeau here literally get shat on daily by almost every news group in Canada for ethics scandals uncovered by investigative journos, for not following through on campaign promises, for not protecting the environment by one group, and for shitting on big oil by another group, etc? If there is no freedom of the press here at all, how do these things occur?
I don’t entirely disagree. The West is often hypocritical when it comes to foreign policy and human rights. Case in point, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. That said, the Western folks here do criticize and call out Western foreign policy in those relevant threads. What I have issue with is people like Dostoevsky and Uruguay using whataboutism to deflect blame from Putin and his gang of thugs in this instance. And make no mistake, there is only one aggressor in this conflict. People like you and Tomice, I can sort of understand where you’re playing devils advocate or pointing out nuances while still supporting Ukraine unequivocally.
You are not entierly wrong but I think a bit of nuance is missing from your argument. Russian and westren media have completly different baseline of bias and manipulation
True that westrem media when enlisted for a cause ie. War on Iraq becomes much similer to what russian media is like on the regular.
But the the baseline levels of media manipulation at times of calm are oceans apart. If not in methods then in masures and scale.
True that westrem media when enlisted for a cause ie. War on Iraq becomes much similer to what russian media is like on the regular.
But the the baseline levels of media manipulation at times of calm are oceans apart. If not in methods then in masures and scale.
No worries buddy, i enjoy discussing openly without filter and i knew i would get stick for my points anyways.
The comparison of Russian media to Western media i used earlier was deliberately a stretch: there are obvious and important differences between them and i am aware of that.
Why i used that comparison is because they have a tendency to use the same tools and what i dont think is a stretch at all is that both their end product is essentially the same:
The molding of minds to ones own gain. Especially in terms of foreign policy or creating a common enemy
This happens in varying degrees in different countries and we can discuss the details of it for a long time as it is a complex subject.
On the bolded part i would agree, but there is a lot of shaming going on our society as well. As i mentioned people tend to lose their job for going out of line.
But you are correct that we have the opportunity at least , unlike many other countries and this is significant.
Trump is a good example but im not sure a lot of the ruling class really liked him anyways: they wanted him out so they might have been more susceptible for him getting shit on publicly.
Trudeau: i have to admit i havent follow the specifics of his tenure or his media scandals, but he seems to be under a lot of heavy fire recently (maybe you can fill me in when you have the time)
The comparison of Russian media to Western media i used earlier was deliberately a stretch: there are obvious and important differences between them and i am aware of that.
Why i used that comparison is because they have a tendency to use the same tools and what i dont think is a stretch at all is that both their end product is essentially the same:
The molding of minds to ones own gain. Especially in terms of foreign policy or creating a common enemy
This happens in varying degrees in different countries and we can discuss the details of it for a long time as it is a complex subject.
On the bolded part i would agree, but there is a lot of shaming going on our society as well. As i mentioned people tend to lose their job for going out of line.
But you are correct that we have the opportunity at least , unlike many other countries and this is significant.
Trump is a good example but im not sure a lot of the ruling class really liked him anyways: they wanted him out so they might have been more susceptible for him getting shit on publicly.
Trudeau: i have to admit i havent follow the specifics of his tenure or his media scandals, but he seems to be under a lot of heavy fire recently (maybe you can fill me in when you have the time)
Recognizing the flaws is one thing, false equivalency is quite another. To say that anybody with a very different opinion than of mainstream will be shunned and lose their job is really false. There are numerous examples from Infowars to Grayzone. If you don't know the latter check them out on Twitter. I'll leave it here:
fair assesment.
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This was specially regarding foreign policy statements: its a hyper sensitive subject in the West, especially now. For example Ozil being frozen out at Arsenal for speaking about the Uyghurs in china.
Losing your job is often connected with sensitive cases (Covid, war , gay rights or similar stuff) not just any topic.
Regarding Grazyone: I have seen these clown account before, some of them tends to be blocked from Twitter, so they move over to Telegram. Somehow Grazyone survived the bans so far
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This was specially regarding foreign policy statements: its a hyper sensitive subject in the West, especially now. For example Ozil being frozen out at Arsenal for speaking about the Uyghurs in china.
Losing your job is often connected with sensitive cases (Covid, war , gay rights or similar stuff) not just any topic.
Regarding Grazyone: I have seen these clown account before, some of them tends to be blocked from Twitter, so they move over to Telegram. Somehow Grazyone survived the bans so far
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