Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (104 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

"we all know they didnt have nukes" come on man, thats a blatant justification on US part: Colin Powell sold it like Saddam had serious Weapons of Mass Destruction and was a treat to the world, not only Middle East. It was one of the main pushing arguments behind the invasion.

"Not everything is about the US" agreed, im just skeptical to these kinds of claims. And i have every right to be

It’s not a justification. It’s common knowledge. And a large part of why most of us here shit on the US for their invasion of Iraq and their middle eastern meddling.

It’s Ukraine that has been saying Russia is going to use chemical weapons. US just been agreeing.

 

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[GiocataGrande]

Will never forget the Powellpoint presentation. Legend.

haha, a good actor indeed

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It’s not a justification. It’s common knowledge. And a large part of why most of us here shit on the US for their invasion of Iraq and their middle eastern meddling.

It’s Ukraine that has been saying Russia is going to use chemical weapons. US just been agreeing.

idk about that one man. Sounds to me like strong justification. I will have to agree to disagree on that part.

To clarify: shitting on US just for the sake of it is useless and doesnt bring anything to the table in these debates. Its not my intention here.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

"we all know they didnt have nukes" come on man, thats a blatant justification on US part: Colin Powell sold it like Saddam had serious Weapons of Mass Destruction and was a treat to the world, not only Middle East. It was one of the main pushing arguments behind the invasion. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/18/he-lied-iraqis-blame-colin-powell-for-role-in-iraq-war

"Not everything is about the US" agreed, im just skeptical to these kinds of claims. And i have every right to be

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Im simply skeptical about these sort of announcements from the US. Its like Russia claiming that US has Biolabs in Ukraine. I need proof before i just roll over and go along with it

Once again what's the us motive to fabricate a chemical attack here?

 

[GiocataGrande]

Once again what's the us motive to fabricate a chemical attack here?

It could be used to provoke action, a political point or a way to pressure action amongst other NATO members, or for further condemnation of Russia. There is tons of reasons.
Erdogan for example will be under a lot of pressure now for sure because he plays an important role as he is stuck inbetween Putin and Nato. I dont count anything out.

The West is obviously in a different world when it comes to the brain washing/propaganda compared to the parody of Kreml, but i dont trust our politicians point blank either. Politicians are after all politicians , not our friends. Call me paranoid, i keep the possibilites open. Time will tell.

 

[U Picciriddu]

"we all know they didnt have nukes" come on man, thats a blatant justification on US part: Colin Powell sold it like Saddam had serious Weapons of Mass Destruction and was a treat to the world, not only Middle East. It was one of the main pushing arguments behind the invasion. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/18/he-lied-iraqis-blame-colin-powell-for-role-in-iraq-war

"Not everything is about the US" agreed, im just skeptical to these kinds of claims. And i have every right to be

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Im simply skeptical about these sort of announcements from the US. Its like Russia claiming that US has Biolabs in Ukraine. I need proof before i just roll over and go along with it

Prior to the invasion in Iraq, Saddam actually accepted officials into his country to check if he had those weapons. They didnt find anything. The Iraq war is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, scheme in our lives.

 

[ALC]

why would the US want a WW3?

 

[Post Ironic]

Prior to the invasion in Iraq, Saddam actually accepted officials into his country to check if he had those weapons. They didnt find anything. The Iraq war is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, scheme in our lives.

Until the Ukraine war with denazification, dirty nuclear bombs, and us biowarfare labs amongst the various reasons given for the “special operation”

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why would the US want a WW3?

People are weird lol. US hasn’t been more isolationist since pre-WW2 and folks saying US attempting to provoke Russia into WW3 lol

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It could be used to provoke action, a political point or a way to pressure action amongst other NATO members, or for further condemnation of Russia. There is tons of reasons.
Erdogan for example will be under a lot of pressure now for sure because he plays an important role as he is stuck inbetween Putin and Nato. I dont count anything out.

The West is obviously in a different world when it comes to the brain washing/propaganda compared to the parody of Kreml, but i dont trust our politicians point blank either. Politicians are after all politicians , not our friends. Call me paranoid, i keep the possibilites open. Time will tell.

Provoke action? This is the cold war all over again, it's called cold because neither side want to be forced into direct action. I don't care what politicians or anyone says, but any rational reading of the situation clearly shows us has no interest in provoking any direct conflict with russia.

 

[GiocataGrande]

why would the US want a WW3?

They dont.

In war however, everything counts: especially accusations and condemnation. Escalation can happen quickly, often due to mistakes, bad intel or lies.

If the leaders of the world is pursuaded to the idea that Russia might use chemical weapons (which offcourse could be very much true, im not denying that) it will put more pressure on NATO and other countries to act or to unify behind the cause of defeating Russia. This is of importance

Remember, US has already started to sanction China for stepping out of line and not condemning Russia. The response from China was not a very warm one. Pressure is being applied on other nations also. The Geopolitical climate is tense. Therefore, a strong line against Russia and a zero tolerance policy is important.


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Provoke action? This is the cold war all over again, it's called cold because neither side want to be forced into direct action. I don't care what politicians or anyone says, but any rational reading of the situation clearly shows us has no interest in provoking any direct conflict with russia.

You said it : no interest in a direct conflict.

The proxy war has already started: its there for everyone to see: US/NATO sends millitary aid to Ukraine to fight the Russians. They are involved without really being involved, passively weakening Russia and offcourse also helping Ukraine.

 

[Dostoevsky]

why would the US want a WW3?

They have 20 trillion debt. Maybe even more.

It was always wars mending the wounds ironically.

 

[Elvin]

It could be used to provoke action, a political point or a way to pressure action amongst other NATO members, or for further condemnation of Russia. There is tons of reasons.
Erdogan for example will be under a lot of pressure now for sure because he plays an important role as he is stuck inbetween Putin and Nato. I dont count anything out.

The West is obviously in a different world when it comes to the brain washing/propaganda compared to the parody of Kreml, but i dont trust our politicians point blank either. Politicians are after all politicians , not our friends. Call me paranoid, i keep the possibilites open. Time will tell.

How fair is it to be equally paranoid about politicians who will serve their term(s) and then go into retirement in the very country that they had governed vs a creature whose one and only concern is to stay in power for life and who has zero concern to what happens after him?

Yes, a politician is an opportunist by nature but a dictator is a whole another animal altogether. Putin must fall!

 

[ALC]

They dont.

In war however, everything counts: especially accusations and condemnation. Escalation can happen quickly, often due to mistakes, bad intel or lies.

If the leaders of the world is pursuaded to the idea that Russia might use chemical weapons (which offcourse could be very much true, im not denying that) it will put more pressure on NATO and other countries to act or to unify behind the cause of defeating Russia. This is of importance

Remember, US has already started to sanction China for stepping out of line and not condemning Russia. The response from China was not a very warm one. Pressure is being applied on other nations also. The Geopolitical climate is tense. Therefore, a strong line against Russia and a zero tolerance policy is important.


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You said it : no interest in a direct conflict.

The proxy war has already started: its there for everyone to see: US/NATO sends millitary aid to Ukraine to fight the Russians. They are involved without really being involved, passively weakening Russia and offcourse also helping Ukraine.

I think you’re reaching a lot with these. Still doesn’t explain what the us has to gain

 

[GiocataGrande]

How fair is it to be equally paranoid about politicians who will serve their term(s) and then go into retirement in the very country that they had governed vs a creature whose one and only concern is to stay in power for life and who has zero concern to what happens after him?

i dont have any doubts about Putin: i know that he is a lying pile of shit.

 

[ALC]

They have 20 trillion debt. Maybe even more.

It was always wars mending the wounds ironically.

this war wouldn’t affect the debt, I don’t think

I’m not sure why people are acting like the US is a mastermind at all, zelensky is the one claiming Russia is using chemical weapons

 

[GiocataGrande]

I think you’re reaching a lot with these. Still doesn’t explain what the us has to gain

Political influence , the condemnation of a common enemy and control of the narrative. In war its extremely important. You lose this, things start to get unstable.

US/NATO being rock solid and unified now is crucial

 

[Dostoevsky]

this war wouldn’t affect the debt, I don’t think

I’m not sure why people are acting like the US is a mastermind at all, zelensky is the one claiming Russia is using chemical weapons

I have no idea why you mention chemical weapons and Zelensky. I was answering what's there to gain for the US. Like always in the past, whether that's the US or someone else.

 

[ALC]

I have no idea why you mention chemical weapons and Zelensky. I was answering what's there to gain for the US. Like always in the past, whether that's the US or someone else.

because that’s what’s spurring the discussion that the US is interested in a war. There has been absolutely 0 intention communicated from the US in starting a war with Russia or they would’ve done it already

 

[Juliano13]

Тhat`s not even remotely close to Putin intentions

All he wanted was the agreement between USSR and US to be respected, in which they gave guarantees that NATO will not expand towards east.
Unfortunately, we are witnessing exactly the opposite and nato is practically expanding up to the russian border and getting closer and closer to Moscow.

As Putin said, Russia has red lines and their red lines have been crossed.

I just read they pay less than 10 euro cents per post. Is it worth the trouble?

 

[Cerval]

@s4tch

 

[GordoDeCentral]

They dont.

In war however, everything counts: especially accusations and condemnation. Escalation can happen quickly, often due to mistakes, bad intel or lies.

If the leaders of the world is pursuaded to the idea that Russia might use chemical weapons (which offcourse could be very much true, im not denying that) it will put more pressure on NATO and other countries to act or to unify behind the cause of defeating Russia. This is of importance

Remember, US has already started to sanction China for stepping out of line and not condemning Russia. The response from China was not a very warm one. Pressure is being applied on other nations also. The Geopolitical climate is tense. Therefore, a strong line against Russia and a zero tolerance policy is important.


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You said it : no interest in a direct conflict.

The proxy war has already started: its there for everyone to see: US/NATO sends millitary aid to Ukraine to fight the Russians. They are involved without really being involved, passively weakening Russia and offcourse also helping Ukraine.

Which totally contradicts what i initially replied to:
"Im talking about escalation that could potentially lead to WW3"