Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (76 Viewers)
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according to the ukranian intelligence putin risks getting assassinated. they are detailing the methods, the motivations and even the potential successor is named
or they are just giving some ideas lol
anyway, that would be a terrible tragedy, all lives matter
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You don’t see how fabricated videos of things like Ukrainians crucifying 3 year olds or torturing women and children are inconceivable or cannot be dismissed? Jesus, dude. I know you like to play devil’s advocate, but some of this stuff is pure Kremlin propaganda that is all too obviously faked. Dude has posted nothing but Kremlin propaganda in this thread.
I don't reply to him at all in this thread because most of it is not worth it, unlike some of others here, but how is that crucifixion has anything to do with what he said? you are the one who brought it up.
You think no civilian died in this war on the "russian side" of Ukraine? you think it's out of realm of possibility that ultra-nationalist element in the national guard could harbor enough animosity to do some shity things? In a war this stuff happen even on the good side.
I have a tendency to play a devils advocate true, I just don't like echo-chambers and bothered me it was dismissed like it can only be fake, but in retrospect no point for me to have posted that. It's not the time for that for some.
You think no civilian died in this war on the "russian side" of Ukraine? you think it's out of realm of possibility that ultra-nationalist element in the national guard could harbor enough animosity to do some shity things? In a war this stuff happen even on the good side.
I have a tendency to play a devils advocate true, I just don't like echo-chambers and bothered me it was dismissed like it can only be fake, but in retrospect no point for me to have posted that. It's not the time for that for some.
You do realize that Putin's bombing Russian side of Ukraine??? Jesus fucking Christ Putin's apologists are fucking dummies.
I have no fucking words, how can western people be this fucking dumb
the entire eastern part of Ukraine is Russian, where 90% of the population are ethnic Russians - Donestk, Kharkov, Lugansk, Mariupol are RUSSIAN cities and in 2014 they were invaded by russian thugs and soldiers and now in 2022 russian cities of ukraine are being BOMBED by russian army.
Let's imagine this scenario - one of the southern states of the usa will be invaded and captured by the inhabitants of mexico in the name of saving the oppressed ethnic Mexican population , they will overthrow the entire government of this state, then they will put their pawns in leadership positions, after which they will hold a "referendum" on the results of which they will proclaim independence from the usa, what will America's leadership do in this case? Obviously, they will bring in troops and will try to recapture that state and clear this state of the invaders. The local population will suffer, someone will die, someone will be injured, the cities and villages of this state will be damaged, and then what, you will say that the US government had no right for such actions? will you blame the US government for the deaths of the inhabitants of this state, but not the invaders? That's what you are doing now if you blame the ukrainian government for counter-terroristic operation
I have no fucking words, how can western people be this fucking dumb
the entire eastern part of Ukraine is Russian, where 90% of the population are ethnic Russians - Donestk, Kharkov, Lugansk, Mariupol are RUSSIAN cities and in 2014 they were invaded by russian thugs and soldiers and now in 2022 russian cities of ukraine are being BOMBED by russian army.Let's imagine this scenario - one of the southern states of the usa will be invaded and captured by the inhabitants of mexico in the name of saving the oppressed ethnic Mexican population , they will overthrow the entire government of this state, then they will put their pawns in leadership positions, after which they will hold a "referendum" on the results of which they will proclaim independence from the usa, what will America's leadership do in this case? Obviously, they will bring in troops and will try to recapture that state and clear this state of the invaders. The local population will suffer, someone will die, someone will be injured, the cities and villages of this state will be damaged, and then what, you will say that the US government had no right for such actions? will you blame the US government for the deaths of the inhabitants of this state, but not the invaders? That's what you are doing now if you blame the ukrainian government for counter-terroristic operation
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You do realize that Putin's bombing Russian side of Ukraine??? Jesus fucking Christ Putin's apologists are fucking dummies
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I have no fucking words, how can western people be this fucking dumbthe entire eastern part of Ukraine is Russian, where 90% of the population are ethnic Russians - Donestk, Kharkov, Lugansk, Mariupol are RUSSIAN cities and in 2014 they were invaded by russian thugs and soldiers and now in 2022 russian cities of ukraine are being BOMBED by russian army
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I have no fucking words, how can western people be this fucking dumb
the entire eastern part of Ukraine is Russian, where 90% of the population are ethnic Russians - Donestk, Kharkov, Lugansk, Mariupol are RUSSIAN cities and in 2014 they were invaded by russian thugs and soldiers and now in 2022 russian cities of ukraine are being BOMBED by russian army
I'm wasn't trying to be condescending or anything, truly. My country did it's fair share of shity things so I understand some of the emotions you are going through.
But if you will breath and take a few moments you will realize nothing I've said has anything to do with what you replied or called me.
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@Cerval It's the second time now
. Cheers mate
But if you will breath and take a few moments you will realize nothing I've said has anything to do with what you replied or called me.
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@Cerval It's the second time now
. Cheers mate
I bring that up, because that stuff he posted is just another rehashing of the crucifixion and other propaganda fakes the Kremlin has been fabricating to justify their invasion of Ukraine. They are very clear and obvious fabrications, and given the source above and any information on what he’s talking about is impossible to find outside Russian propaganda sources, of course his shit is dismissed outright.
Shitty things are done by every side in every war. Yes. What he’s posting and why he’s posting has nothing to do with that. He’s posting propaganda here and has already stated he believes Russia is justified in invading Ukraine to denazify the country and stop genocide of ethnic Russians. You think that point of view needs defending?
Shitty things are done by every side in every war. Yes. What he’s posting and why he’s posting has nothing to do with that. He’s posting propaganda here and has already stated he believes Russia is justified in invading Ukraine to denazify the country and stop genocide of ethnic Russians. You think that point of view needs defending?
It`s funny how only here people are so delusional and turn a blind a eye on the atrocities that are/were happening in Ukraine and the fact that one side has been provoking the war for so many years. It`s funny how an aggression has happened in the last 20,30,40 years by one side and then nobody said a word, in fact everybody were claiming and still claiming that it was justified where the whole world knows is exactly the opposite.
But I can`t be mad at some people here, because they have been brainwashed for so many years by the western propaganda and it is almost impossible to un-brainwash yourself overnight. For this It takes time and will to see both sides, both "truths" and draw the conclusions.
I would have been the same myself if I was affected by the western propaganda.
The victims in those videos could be people that feel themselves as russians. Or could be ukrainians that refused to go to war and are being punished. Or could be marauders. It doesn`t matter if they are russians or ukrainians. The thing is that those actions have been carried out by Ukrainian national guard and para military groups. Those things should not occur not just in Ukraine but anywhere in the world.
At the moment I feel very sorry for the Ukrainian people as they are the collateral damage. There are dozens of videos of ukrainians saying that they have been held as hostages by the para military and neo nazi groups and the national army in the hospitals, schools, kindergartens to act as a shield against the russians.
Couple of weeks ago I said that the peace talks should happen sooner rather than later and US and EU should act as an intermediaries before more people die and this goes out of control.
But some people here were saying, oh yeah maybe we should bow to Russia
But I can`t be mad at some people here, because they have been brainwashed for so many years by the western propaganda and it is almost impossible to un-brainwash yourself overnight. For this It takes time and will to see both sides, both "truths" and draw the conclusions.
I would have been the same myself if I was affected by the western propaganda.
The victims in those videos could be people that feel themselves as russians. Or could be ukrainians that refused to go to war and are being punished. Or could be marauders. It doesn`t matter if they are russians or ukrainians. The thing is that those actions have been carried out by Ukrainian national guard and para military groups. Those things should not occur not just in Ukraine but anywhere in the world.
At the moment I feel very sorry for the Ukrainian people as they are the collateral damage. There are dozens of videos of ukrainians saying that they have been held as hostages by the para military and neo nazi groups and the national army in the hospitals, schools, kindergartens to act as a shield against the russians.
Couple of weeks ago I said that the peace talks should happen sooner rather than later and US and EU should act as an intermediaries before more people die and this goes out of control.
But some people here were saying, oh yeah maybe we should bow to Russia