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Defending? no. Heard? I have no problem with that. we are all adults here (mostly) capable of making their own judgment. This is just a forum, not some media platform he should be taken off from.
I want to hear people I don't agree with, even if it's propaganda. I can 100% disagree with his point of view, it does not mean I need to 100% disagree with every thing he says. Even propaganda can have shades of truth. I can show you videos of civilian deaths in Donetsk, can it be false flag or fake? sure, can just as well be true.
I was making a point rather then defending the person making it (Unfourtenetly it was Lancelot), but as I said it was maybe unnecessary.
I want to hear people I don't agree with, even if it's propaganda. I can 100% disagree with his point of view, it does not mean I need to 100% disagree with every thing he says. Even propaganda can have shades of truth. I can show you videos of civilian deaths in Donetsk, can it be false flag or fake? sure, can just as well be true.
I was making a point rather then defending the person making it (Unfourtenetly it was Lancelot), but as I said it was maybe unnecessary.
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I was the first one here to state that there were bio labs and they were funded by US
You were laughing but then it was confirmed by the US officials.
Then I mentioned the neo nazi groups. You said there are no such thing in Ukraine. Then after you realized there is you said, well there are no more than 500 which is nothing.
You just keep on laughing, and I just keep on giving facts. So far you haven`t even tried to give me facts that whatever I said here is not true. You always hide by "it`s the russian propaganda"
You were laughing but then it was confirmed by the US officials.
Then I mentioned the neo nazi groups. You said there are no such thing in Ukraine. Then after you realized there is you said, well there are no more than 500 which is nothing.
You just keep on laughing, and I just keep on giving facts. So far you haven`t even tried to give me facts that whatever I said here is not true. You always hide by "it`s the russian propaganda"
I was the first one here to state that there were bio labs and they were funded by US
You were laughing but then it was confirmed by the US officials.
Then I mentioned the neo nazi groups. You said there are no such thing in Ukraine. Then after you realized there is you said, well there are no more than 500 which is nothing.
You just keep on laughing, and I just keep on giving facts. So far you haven`t even tried to give me facts that whatever I said here is not true. You always hide by "it`s the russian propaganda"
You were laughing but then it was confirmed by the US officials.
Then I mentioned the neo nazi groups. You said there are no such thing in Ukraine. Then after you realized there is you said, well there are no more than 500 which is nothing.
You just keep on laughing, and I just keep on giving facts. So far you haven`t even tried to give me facts that whatever I said here is not true. You always hide by "it`s the russian propaganda"
There are no bio weapons research labs in ukraine, there no russian genocide and never was, you are lying piece of shit, deluded sickfuck, as for Azov i actually showed you that its only 500 people but you are too dumb to read, you blame country in which president, vice-president and the leader of the biggest opposition party ARE JEWS for being nazi, you are more than dumb, you need help
I always hear both sides and do my own research before I draw my own conclusions. I have no problem with reading or listening what other people have to say and it`s obviously their opinion.
But some people here (not all) tend to believe only one side and if you say something that they don`t wanna listen they will call you names, conspiracy theorist and want you banned
But some people here (not all) tend to believe only one side and if you say something that they don`t wanna listen they will call you names, conspiracy theorist and want you banned
It`s funny how only here people are so delusional and turn a blind a eye on the atrocities that are/were happening in Ukraine and the fact that one side has been provoking the war for so many years. It`s funny how an aggression has happened in the last 20,30,40 years by one side and then nobody said a word, in fact everybody were claiming and still claiming that it was justified where the whole world knows is exactly the opposite.
But I can`t be mad at some people here, because they have been brainwashed for so many years by the western propaganda and it is almost impossible to un-brainwash yourself overnight. For this It takes time and will to see both sides, both "truths" and draw the conclusions.
I would have been the same myself if I was affected by the western propaganda.
The victims in those videos could be people that feel themselves as russians. Or could be ukrainians that refused to go to war and are being punished. Or could be marauders. It doesn`t matter if they are russians or ukrainians. The thing is that those actions have been carried out by Ukrainian national guard and para military groups. Those things should not occur not just in Ukraine but anywhere in the world.
At the moment I feel very sorry for the Ukrainian people as they are the collateral damage. There are dozens of videos of ukrainians saying that they have been held as hostages by the para military and neo nazi groups and the national army in the hospitals, schools, kindergartens to act as a shield against the russians.
Couple of weeks ago I said that the peace talks should happen sooner rather than later and US and EU should act as an intermediaries before more people die and this goes out of control.
But some people here were saying, oh yeah maybe we should bow to Russia
But I can`t be mad at some people here, because they have been brainwashed for so many years by the western propaganda and it is almost impossible to un-brainwash yourself overnight. For this It takes time and will to see both sides, both "truths" and draw the conclusions.
I would have been the same myself if I was affected by the western propaganda.
The victims in those videos could be people that feel themselves as russians. Or could be ukrainians that refused to go to war and are being punished. Or could be marauders. It doesn`t matter if they are russians or ukrainians. The thing is that those actions have been carried out by Ukrainian national guard and para military groups. Those things should not occur not just in Ukraine but anywhere in the world.
At the moment I feel very sorry for the Ukrainian people as they are the collateral damage. There are dozens of videos of ukrainians saying that they have been held as hostages by the para military and neo nazi groups and the national army in the hospitals, schools, kindergartens to act as a shield against the russians.
Couple of weeks ago I said that the peace talks should happen sooner rather than later and US and EU should act as an intermediaries before more people die and this goes out of control.
But some people here were saying, oh yeah maybe we should bow to Russia
In 2005, cooperation between Ukraine and the United States was expanded in the field of biological security - the Ministry of Health of Ukraine and the US Department of Defense signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of preventing the spread of technologies, pathogens and knowledge that can be used in the development of biological weapons. As part of the agreement, many laboratories of the Ministry of Health and veterinary laboratories were upgraded.
These institutions are engaged in the prevention of the risks of disease of the population by complex pathogens, and, together with other similar projects, counteract bioterrorism. You can see the activities and equipment of one of these laboratories in the Ternopil television plot. Also on the YouTube channel of the Nunn-Lugar program you can get acquainted with the activities of other similar laboratories from the countries of the former USSR participating in the program. That is, there is no question of any development of biological weapons.
The website of the US Embassy in Ukraine published a complete list of medical and scientific laboratories supported by the Pentagon under the agreement from 2005. Among them are Kherson Diagnostic Laboratory, Ternopil Diagnostic Laboratory, Lviv Research Institute of Epidemiology and Hygiene, Lviv State Regional Laboratory of Veterinary Medicine, Ukrainian Research Anti-Plague Institute. Mechnikov and others.
By the way, the Nunn-Lugar program also operated in Russia itself - at least until 2012.
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2017 - Russian propaganda fakes about ukrainian bio labs
Fake: Ukraine is a US biological testing ground
https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-ukraina-biologicheskij-poligon-ssha/
Fake: US is turning Ukraine into a “biological bomb”
https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-ssha-prevrashhayut-ukrainu-v-biologicheskuyu-bombu/
2018 Channel One Fake: US Produces Biological Weapons in Georgia and Poisons Tourists With Them
https://theins.ru/antifake/133801
2022 “They create killer camels”: Russian fakes about scientific laboratories in Kazakhstan
https://www.stopfake.org/ru/sozdayu...i-rossii-o-nauchnyh-laboratoriyah-kazahstana/
You see the pattern?
BUT BUT BIO LABS
Fucking imbecile
These institutions are engaged in the prevention of the risks of disease of the population by complex pathogens, and, together with other similar projects, counteract bioterrorism. You can see the activities and equipment of one of these laboratories in the Ternopil television plot. Also on the YouTube channel of the Nunn-Lugar program you can get acquainted with the activities of other similar laboratories from the countries of the former USSR participating in the program. That is, there is no question of any development of biological weapons.
The website of the US Embassy in Ukraine published a complete list of medical and scientific laboratories supported by the Pentagon under the agreement from 2005. Among them are Kherson Diagnostic Laboratory, Ternopil Diagnostic Laboratory, Lviv Research Institute of Epidemiology and Hygiene, Lviv State Regional Laboratory of Veterinary Medicine, Ukrainian Research Anti-Plague Institute. Mechnikov and others.
By the way, the Nunn-Lugar program also operated in Russia itself - at least until 2012.
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2017 - Russian propaganda fakes about ukrainian bio labs
Fake: Ukraine is a US biological testing ground
https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-ukraina-biologicheskij-poligon-ssha/
Fake: US is turning Ukraine into a “biological bomb”
https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-ssha-prevrashhayut-ukrainu-v-biologicheskuyu-bombu/
2018 Channel One Fake: US Produces Biological Weapons in Georgia and Poisons Tourists With Them
https://theins.ru/antifake/133801
2022 “They create killer camels”: Russian fakes about scientific laboratories in Kazakhstan
https://www.stopfake.org/ru/sozdayu...i-rossii-o-nauchnyh-laboratoriyah-kazahstana/
You see the pattern?
BUT BUT BIO LABS
Fucking imbecile
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Or another example - this bitch is the head of russian propaganda network RT, this is what she said back in January 2020 about the COVID
“I asked our guys to find out if there are non-ethnic Chinese among the patients with coronavirus. They've found out - the answer is no,” said Simonyan.
She clarified that information about other sick people is a “medical secret”.
“In France, in Italy, there are ethnic Chinese everywhere. In the United States, it is a medical secret, ”the journalist emphasized, adding that she began to understand the Chinese panic.
All they do is lying, their purpose is to invent and to throw in through their networks all possible conspiracy theories to drug people with these lies. All the time before covid and during it, they fed the Russians with anti-vaccination nonsense, which led to the fact that the Russians avoided vaccinations and until the last refused to give themselves an injection, nobody trusted into Sputnik V, our vaccination rates were dreadful, so russian government had to force people to get a shot