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PL clubs messing around too much… how much to sack him if he’s not good, am guessing no performance related conditions for manager
And yet you seem to forget they finished 2nd with 84 points the year before that, just 2 points off the title.
As I said, his first period was a resounding success. Building them up from a mess to title winners. That was brilliant. Just like his first few years with Dortmund. But are you seriously arguing that the last 4 years have been a success? If they turn around and win the title this year, sure… but as of now it’s 4 years without any relevant trophy. They finished 5th last year behind Arsenal, Newcastle, and Ten Hag’s joke of a ManU. Got knocked out of CL Rof16. This year they are currently in 3rd in PL and got embarrassed by tinpot Serie A’s 6th place team, Atalanta, in Europa League quarters. This is the team y’all arguing Klopp turned into and kept as a European powerhouse, the elite of the elite. Remind me what they’ve done since 2020?
Klopp seems to choke hard as soon as expectations of success arrive.
As I said, his first period was a resounding success. Building them up from a mess to title winners. That was brilliant. Just like his first few years with Dortmund. But are you seriously arguing that the last 4 years have been a success? If they turn around and win the title this year, sure… but as of now it’s 4 years without any relevant trophy. They finished 5th last year behind Arsenal, Newcastle, and Ten Hag’s joke of a ManU. Got knocked out of CL Rof16. This year they are currently in 3rd in PL and got embarrassed by tinpot Serie A’s 6th place team, Atalanta, in Europa League quarters. This is the team y’all arguing Klopp turned into and kept as a European powerhouse, the elite of the elite. Remind me what they’ve done since 2020?
Klopp seems to choke hard as soon as expectations of success arrive.
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Is he a good coach? Like actually. Seems to be lot of hype because of this news now. Ten Hag also looked like he could be one of the best coaches when he was at Ajax. I can see this go bad real quick tbh. Eredevise hasnt produced good coaches for years.
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I dont think it really works like that. All cases are individual. For example do you think Napoli should fight for title next season?
Klopp took over 2016. 2 years difference since 2013-2014. Suarez was player of the year, no? He left to Barca in 2014. Pool bought Balotelli same summer....lol. Gerard also retired just before Klopp arrived. Sterling went to Man City. Add flop signings like Benteke (prior to Klopp arrival, again Balotelli coming after Suarez). The squad was a mess. So i dont forget anything. The squad wasnt anymore the 84p squad. And lets not forget it was largely carried by Suarez and Gerrard that season. Those 2 were the most important players in the squad.
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I dont think it really works like that. All cases are individual. For example do you think Napoli should fight for title next season?
Klopp took over 2016. 2 years difference since 2013-2014. Suarez was player of the year, no? He left to Barca in 2014. Pool bought Balotelli same summer....lol. Gerard also retired just before Klopp arrived. Sterling went to Man City. Add flop signings like Benteke (prior to Klopp arrival, again Balotelli coming after Suarez). The squad was a mess. So i dont forget anything. The squad wasnt anymore the 84p squad. And lets not forget it was largely carried by Suarez and Gerrard that season. Those 2 were the most important players in the squad.
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When I say better fit I mean in terms of his preferred formation, Amorim favours more of a 3 man defence system which I dont think suits Liverpool, in terms of who is the better manager? its difficult to scale someone who manages in Portugal and one in the Netherlands, however what I will say is that what Amorim has done and achieved with Sporting is quite remarkable, given how they are always in the shadows of Porto and Benfica.
Then you look at PSV who just look unstoppable in the Netherlands, they're managed by freaking Peter Bosz who was a disaster at Dortmund and barely lasted a few games for Lyon.
Then you look at PSV who just look unstoppable in the Netherlands, they're managed by freaking Peter Bosz who was a disaster at Dortmund and barely lasted a few games for Lyon.
Thats exactly the example, by these stats and logics Pool should have gone for Bosz.
Klopp was competing with Jupp Bayern and made Dortmund contenders in europe too. Again that club was nowhere before Klopp arrival. Everyone could tell he was a good manager.
I wouldnt take eredevise manager to Juve. Imaging taking Ten Hag now after his man utd spell. Besides everything else i think that job has proven he doesnt have the experience and qualification to manage big club like utd. Now most people in uk are bashing Ten Hag and we dont really know if is a good manager or not. I wouldnt be surprised if he would go to Bayern (he was Pep assistant there) and has some success. Utd seems to be a career suicide to managers. Or why take such gamble like manutd anyway.
These examples also remind me of Andre Villa Boas. One of Mourinhos assistants. He won a treble at Porto (EL not CL but still). Things turned south for him at Chelsea real quick. Didnt even last one season there. Never really recovered. Went to russia, small spell at Marseille. Went to Dakar. But he was called mini Mourinho back in 2011 when he left Porto for Chelsea. He just became Porto President. He is 45 now.
Nagelsmann also was given Bayern job way too early. We still dont know if he is good manager or not. He is now German youngest NT coach cause they really have very few alternatives. Now there were stories about return to Bayern. He obv was/has been one of german most promising young managers but everything happened way too quick for him. He didnt really have much time to settle in. Then at Bayern he was managing players who were older than him. Seemed like he lacked the authority to lead them.
Klopp was competing with Jupp Bayern and made Dortmund contenders in europe too. Again that club was nowhere before Klopp arrival. Everyone could tell he was a good manager.
I wouldnt take eredevise manager to Juve. Imaging taking Ten Hag now after his man utd spell. Besides everything else i think that job has proven he doesnt have the experience and qualification to manage big club like utd. Now most people in uk are bashing Ten Hag and we dont really know if is a good manager or not. I wouldnt be surprised if he would go to Bayern (he was Pep assistant there) and has some success. Utd seems to be a career suicide to managers. Or why take such gamble like manutd anyway.
These examples also remind me of Andre Villa Boas. One of Mourinhos assistants. He won a treble at Porto (EL not CL but still). Things turned south for him at Chelsea real quick. Didnt even last one season there. Never really recovered. Went to russia, small spell at Marseille. Went to Dakar. But he was called mini Mourinho back in 2011 when he left Porto for Chelsea. He just became Porto President. He is 45 now.
Nagelsmann also was given Bayern job way too early. We still dont know if he is good manager or not. He is now German youngest NT coach cause they really have very few alternatives. Now there were stories about return to Bayern. He obv was/has been one of german most promising young managers but everything happened way too quick for him. He didnt really have much time to settle in. Then at Bayern he was managing players who were older than him. Seemed like he lacked the authority to lead them.
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No matter what, 6 league titles in 7 seasons is an incredible achievement
With all the talk about money, Union and Chelsea have spent more money than them in the same timeframe
Arsenal and Pool have had significant investments during this time as well
Greatest team of the PL era, surpassed Fergie's Union but could easily get cancelled if those financial allegations against them turn out to be true(very unlikely tho)
With all the talk about money, Union and Chelsea have spent more money than them in the same timeframe
Arsenal and Pool have had significant investments during this time as well
Greatest team of the PL era, surpassed Fergie's Union but could easily get cancelled if those financial allegations against them turn out to be true(very unlikely tho)