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Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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There are a few interesting points in that post I wanna reply to, but I don't want to distract from this one pivotal point: why do all our best players keep leaving?
The league. It's not competitive and it's not exciting to win year after year. And that feeds into an inferiority complex vis-a-vis certain european rivals. Sure, Bayern are in a fairly similar position in the Bundesliga but they've been established CL contenders for a long time now. Since losing the final, Juve remain at a unique impasse as prospective Italian champions for years to come and at the same time, European "outsiders".

Wages might have a bit to do with it as well.
 

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Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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Non of the last players who left, left because of "the League"

not Pirlo
not Vidal
not Pogba
not Tevez

but that's just me.
Only possibly Pogba, and that was for the profile of the EPL to help his lame-ass "brand". The other three didn't leave because of a supposed weak Serie A.
Yeah, fair call I guess. It's pretty hard to know exactly why players leave unless they explicitly state their reasoning but I'm more than willing to speculate :)

Pirlo left because he wasn't any longer a first choice player for a big club. He knew it was time to call it quits and do the whole MLS retirement thing.

Pogba is a mystery because he didn't leave for a better club, at least not in footaballing terms. It was all ego for Pogba, the money and the notoriety you get playing for Man U got his dick hard. But I'm sure that he really did believe Man U would contend for the league this season and right now the Premiership is the most attractive league to compete in.

Vidal clearly thought Juve were limited. The way we had lost the CL final, that Barca had "outclassed" the underdogs, must have shaken Vidal's belief in the club's potential. He believed that Juve had reached their ceiling and that they couldn't possibly build a squad worthy of shaking off it's underdog status. It's a widely held belief which persists to this day and it stems from a perception about the constraining effects a struggling league can have on a clubs wage growth, its appeal to top players and its aspirations to become more than merely outsiders and underdogs.

Bonucci confirmed my suspicions when he flirted with a transfer to Shitty. He allegedly stayed because Juve made big statements on the market and quashed his own beliefs about Juve's limited potential. But why Man City of all clubs? Their chances at CL success are no better than Juve's. Players want to be tested and winning Serie A no longer presents a challenge to Bonucci. If the challenge to win the CL is seemingly insurmountable then there's little left to aspire to at Juventus. For Bonucci, a project in a more competitive league (such as Guardiola's at City) is more exciting by comparison.
 

Juvellino

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Mar 19, 2015
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Tevez and Pirlo basically retired from European football. Pogba was a unique situation, he left for higher profile league, higher wages, marketing, brand etc. He didn't leave for CL or winning, it had nothing to do with football. Vidal did leave because he believed he had a better chance at winning CL. I also think we didn't fight it because of the car accident and the injury. That was a mistake.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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RAMI¹⁰;5422611 said:
We don't need to risk him...
Of couse not but we desperately need him and the sooner he's back, the better. Same goes for other absentees as well of course but twice as much for Dybala. We need him at his best against Torino and Rome.
 

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