And people, please stop with this "I win tha discussion bcuz my arguments are l33t!!!11oneone11!" nerd bullshit. First of all, it's not about "winning" anything, and second, you "win" a discussion by convincing the other side with your viewpoint. Yes exactly, it's pointless to try to "win" that way, because it's never gonna happen the way you discuss things. These are discussions people, not debates with a jury.