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Juliano13

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Prices are crazy this mercato. Lukaku (100-110), Neymar (222), Mendy (60), Dembele (130?), Coutinho (150?) just to name a few. All overpriced.

As if PSG were alone in this mess.
Lukaku is overpriced because he's crap, but 100m from 690m revenue is not that much. Just compare that to some of the transfer in 2000 and 2001. Those were crazy times.
 

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Dostoevsky

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Prices are crazy this mercato. Lukaku (100-110), Neymar (222), Mendy (60), Dembele (130?), Coutinho (150?) just to name a few. All overpriced.

As if PSG were alone in this mess.
They are alone as they doubled the already insane prices.

Just if Barca spends 130-150 on Coutinho doesn't mean they are crazy as PSG. They are just spending their (PSGs) money while any other club will try to milk the last penny out of them. Just like we did with Higuain when we sold Pogba.
 

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They are alone as they doubled the already insane prices.

Just if Barca spends 130-150 on Coutinho doesn't mean they are crazy as PSG. They are just spending their (PSGs) money while any other club will try to milk the last penny out of them. Just like we did with Higuain when we sold Pogba.
Yep.

It's one thing to sell and buy and end up relatively balanced at the end of the mercato.

It's another to be -200 mil in the transfer window.

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That's up to us. Maybe Marotta should reconsider whether 40m is a good price for one of your top players next time he has an offer.
It's not just about that. It's also about wages going insane, Clubs operating at hundreds of million loss each transfer window, etc. What these 3 clubs are doing is not sustainable for football as a whole.
 

Dujj

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They are alone as they doubled the already insane prices.

Just if Barca spends 130-150 on Coutinho doesn't mean they are crazy as PSG. They are just spending their (PSGs) money while any other club will try to milk the last penny out of them. Just like we did with Higuain when we sold Pogba.
Lukaku is overpriced because he's crap, but 100m from 690m revenue is not that much. Just compare that to some of the transfer in 2000 and 2001. Those were crazy times.
PSG matter aside, it's still abnormal that average players are sold for this much, because it means world class player prices will get bigger too.

Even without PSG, PL clubs participated in that.

Let's say PSG get banned by FFP, that doesn't mean PL clubs will stop overpaying even more each year that passes.

Look my post history, I was against the transfer of Neymar, and I totally understand if FFP bans them. No problem bro. But if you think only PSG is a problem, then no they aren't sorry.
 

PhRoZeN

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PSG matter aside, it's still abnormal that average players are sold for this much, because it means world class player prices will get bigger too.
They just doubled the world record, that in itself sets a new precedence.

I wouldnt take it personally, United were slated when they spent over the 100m last year, this year its PSG's turn. Its the club that goes all out crazy on one player that gets the stick.
 

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PSG matter aside, it's still abnormal that average players are sold for this much, because it means world class player prices will get bigger too.

Even without PSG, PL clubs participated in that.

Let's say PSG get banned by FFP, that doesn't mean PL clubs will stop overpaying even more each year that passes.

Look my post history, I was against the transfer of Neymar, and I totally understand if FFP bans them. No problem bro. But if you think only PSG is a problem, then no they aren't sorry.
PL clubs are crazy, no doubt about that. But it's mostly paying 30-60mln for some random players. Some are good, but some are just mediocre players. However, you don't see them spending 220mln euros on one player. Also, due to their TV contracts and other crap, they do have the money to spend. When a club gets promoted to PL they gain a lot of money instantly. PSG books are nothing but red.
 

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PSG matter aside, it's still abnormal that average players are sold for this much, because it means world class player prices will get bigger too.

Even without PSG, PL clubs participated in that.

Let's say PSG get banned by FFP, that doesn't mean PL clubs will stop overpaying even more each year that passes.

Look my post history, I was against the transfer of Neymar, and I totally understand if FFP bans them. No problem bro. But if you think only PSG is a problem, then no they aren't sorry.
It's 3 clubs. ManCity, PSG, ManU. They are operating on the transfer market at losses no one else can sustain. They don't give a shit about selling players and having a semblance of balance. Just buy the next shiny toy and hope it works this time.
 

Juliano13

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It's 3 clubs. ManCity, PSG, ManU. They are operating on the transfer market at losses no one else can sustain. They don't give a shit about selling players and having a semblance of balance. Just buy the next shiny toy and hope it works this time.
But ManU have the real revenue to back it up. With City and PSG is just Arabs pumping money in.
 

pitbull

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It's 3 clubs. ManCity, PSG, ManU. They are operating on the transfer market at losses no one else can sustain. They don't give a shit about selling players and having a semblance of balance. Just buy the next shiny toy and hope it works this time.
And if you take a look at how those teams actually perform on the pitch, you'll see that we have nothing to worry about yet.
 

Dujj

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They just doubled the world record, that in itself sets a new precedence.
Who cares? Lukaku is not worth 100M+, and that was before Neymar.
As I said, even if you ban PSG (and I'm all for it), if a player like Lukaku is worth 100M+, then Messi is worth 500M. Which is overpriced even if it's Messi.

Next year, even without PSG in the market, the prices will still get bigger, and people here will complain about those other clubs. Easy to get on PSG back as they break FFP. But PL clubs having 300M+ ready for the merctao (city this year) is apparently not a problem to you, but it will become when they will pillage players from clubs like Juve.

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What I mean is that FFP is a great idea, but can't stay the same as it is when a league like PL has so much money than everyone else.
 

Dostoevsky

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In a way you couldnt blame them, I mean Real madrid did it with Ronaldo and Bale and look where that got them. These other clubs are just following them.
Real Madrid makes the most money in the world of football for probably over a decade. Maybe they are on pair with Manchester or something like that.

They can afford to spend. It's what club generated from trophies and marketing. PSG is just spending for the sake of it and just to rub it in Barca's face because they wanted to buy Verratti.
 

Juliano13

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Real Madrid makes the most money in the world of football for probably over a decade. Maybe they are on pair with Manchester or something like that.

They can afford to spend. It's what club generated from trophies and marketing. PSG is just spending for the sake of it and just to rub it in Barca's face because they wanted to buy Verratti.
One thing is certain, Verratti is a little bitch.
 

Dujj

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PL clubs are crazy, no doubt about that. But it's mostly paying 30-60mln for some random players. Some are good, but some are just mediocre players. However, you don't see them spending 220mln euros on one player. Also, due to their TV contracts and other crap, they do have the money to spend. When a club gets promoted to PL they gain a lot of money instantly. PSG books are nothing but red.
But while FFP is doing its job, it becomes a problem when a league as disproportionate money bags than every other leagues in Europe.

Did you wonder why UEFA modified FFP last year by making it less harsh? That's precisely because having PL clubs pillage others every single year beside Barca, and Real is not sustainable.
 

PhRoZeN

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Who cares? Lukaku is not worth 100M+, and that was before Neymar.
As I said, even if you ban PSG (and I'm all for it), if a player like Lukaku is worth 100M+, then Messi is worth 500M. Which is overpriced even if it's Messi.

Next year, even without PSG in the market, the prices will still get bigger, and people here will complain about those other clubs. Easy to get on PSG back as they break FFP. But PL clubs having 300M+ ready for the merctao (city this year) is apparently not a problem to you, but it will become when they will pillage players from clubs like Juve.

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What I mean is that FFP is a great idea, but can't stay the same as it is when a league like PL has so much money than everyone else.
The PL shouldnt be an alibi, they are all as badly spoilt as each other and PSG is amongst them.

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Real Madrid makes the most money in the world of football for probably over a decade. Maybe they are on pair with Manchester or something like that.

They can afford to spend. It's what club generated from trophies and marketing. PSG is just spending for the sake of it and just to rub it in Barca's face because they wanted to buy Verratti.
Thats a fair point, but then clubs like PSG can 'earn' money too through backdeals with Qatar. Just like Real madrid made money from the spanish government. The footballing world was a mess, it just got even more messy.
 

Dujj

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The PL shouldnt be an alibi, they are all as badly spoilt as each other and PSG is amongst them.
Whatever. I am also a juve supporter, and I care greatly if tomorrow city or united comes and offers 160M for Dybala. As much as I like dybala, he's not worth 160M not even in dreamland.

Sure Beppe will swim in money, but that means everytime we get great players, PL clubs will come, and get them, as we can't fight on similar ground with them.

Lets take an example, see, every countries have different taxes, and for starter, UEFA should start taking that in account when calculating for FFP instead of looking at clubs budgets as if we were all in the same country with the same rules.
 

PhRoZeN

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Whatever. I am also a juve supporter, and I care greatly if tomorrow city or united come and offer 160M for Dybala. As much as I like dybala, he's not worth 160M not even in dreamland.

Sure Beppe will swim in money, but that means everytime we get great players, PL clubs will come, and get them, as we can't fight on similar ground with them.

Lets take an example, see, every countries have different taxes, and for starter, UEFA should start taking that in account when calculating for FFP instead of looking at clubs budgets as if we were all in the same country with the same rules.
I agree, I dont like it, infact I detest it but I dont see a solution to this. The rich will keep getting richer. The EPL tv deals mean that there will be alot more premier league clubs in the top 10, we might be lucky to be in there within 10 years.
 

Dujj

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I agree, I dont like it, infact I detest it but I dont see a solution to this. The rich will keep getting richer while we will be lucky to stay in the top 10 within the next decade at this rate.
They can try things.

- Take country taxes level in account.

- Implement a EU+GB tax on transfers between clubs with a % that differs from league to league based on economic comparison between all the leagues. PL has money, they then should pay bigger taxes per transfer.

- Use above "UEFA tax" to re-inject money equally in leagues that needs more money to improve, and start getting more competitive.

- Implement a salary cap. With a restriction on players that can get bigger salary than the cap. Like 2 players per team, a bit like in MLS, NBA etc.

If we stay with the same rules, lets transfer Real, Bayern, and Barca to PL, and call it a day. Besides those clubs+PL everyone else is fucked by FFP. Do you think football fans are ok with that? If other leagues get poorer, then people will start looking at something else to watch/attend, or in the best case, will spend less money in that hobby named football, which will make clubs even poorer.
 
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