muslim fellas perception of shooting stars (1 Viewer)

Bjerknes

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In my religion, shooting stars are nothing more than Illuminist Brotheroids transporting themselves from planet to planet. They are really fast aliens.
 

Zé Tahir

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Actually I don't know what that guy told him but he's taking a metaphor and taking it's meaning literally. The guy who wrote the blog should have looked more into it before jumping the gun but that'd be too much to ask eh...

Here's an explanation of the verses:

[15:16] They would surely say, 'Only our eyes are dazed; rather we are a bewitched people.’

Disbelievers have become such strangers to spiritual matters even if they were to enjoy some of the spiritual experiences which the Holy Prophet had gone through and were to have some of the visions of the spiritual heights to which he had arisen, they would not believe and would only say that they had become victims of magic and witchcraft.

[15:17] And We have, indeed, made mansions of stars in the heaven and have adorned it for beholders.

It is not merely the beautiful appearance of the planets and the stars at night that is meant here. The great purpose which their creation serves is mentioned in the following verses as well as in 16:17 and 67:6, and it is in the fulfillment of that great purpose that their real beauty lies.

[15:18] And We have protected it against every rejected satan.

The verse points out that just as in the physical world evilly disposed persons exercise some sort of power or influence and can cause a certain amount of injury to other men but cannot completely deprive them of heavenly blessings, e.g. the wholesome influence of stars, etc., similarly, in the spiritual world, satans too have no control over Prophets and their true followers (v43). "Satan" in the verse under comment refers to such disbelievers as desire to attain union with God independently of the Prophets (vv.14-16). Against such persons the spiritual heavens have indeed been guarded and their gates barred.

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[37:6] Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them and the Lord of the sun’s risings.

The verse points to a parrallelism between the physical and spiritual realms, viz., that just as the physical heaven is sustained by physical planets and stars, so is the spiritual heaven sustained by their spiritual counterparts who are the Prophets and Divine Reformers. Each one of them serves as an ornament for the spiritual haven, as the stars and planets beautify and embellish the physical heaven.

[37:8] And have guarded it against all rebellious satans.

Satans are of two categories: (a) Internal enemies of the Muslim Community such as the hypocrites, etc. They are called the 'the rebellious satans' as in this verse: and (b) external enemies or disbelievers who are described as 'satans, the rejected' (15:18)

[37:9] They cannot hear anything from the exalted assembly of angels — and they are pelted from every side,

[37:10] Repulsed, and for them is a perpetual punishment —

[37:11] Except him who snatches away something by stealth, and then there pursues him a piercing flame of fire.

As long as the Word of God is preserved in the heavens it is quite safe and secure against all interference, stealing or snatching, but after is revealed to a Prophet, 'satans', or the enemies of God's Prophets, seek to misrepresent or misinterpret it by misquoting the Prophet, or by tearing a passage out of his revelation and mixing much falsehood with it, or they even try to represent the Prophet's teaching as their own. But their falsehood becomes exposed by the true exposition of his revelation by the Divine Reformer.

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Have to go to bed now, but I'll try to get the rest in tomorrow.
 
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    Very nice, i am impressed....
    if i were to summarize what you are saying, its basically that we should not take the words of the Quran at face value. We should rather interpret it metaphorically to make it fit with science. and so jinns in these verses are interpreted as evil human beings with the difference of bieng internal or external to the community.

    I for one disagree with your interpretation because as a muslim i've always believed in it the way the article supposes and pretty much everyone else including Sheikhs give me the same interpretation. (The article includes Ibn Abbas' interpretation)

    If you read the article to its end you will also find that there is a strong hadith about the very same topic making the exact same description about shooting stars and Jinns.

    You can also read it in the arabic quran, you can find it in surat el jin, el aaraf, el hagar.. there are others but i cant recall..
     

    Seven

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    Jun 25, 2003
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    Very nice, i am impressed....
    if i were to summarize what you are saying, its basically that we should not take the words of the Quran at face value. We should rather interpret it metaphorically to make it fit with science. and so jinns in these verses are interpreted as evil human beings with the difference of bieng internal or external to the community.

    I for one disagree with your interpretation because as a muslim i've always believed in it the way the article supposes and pretty much everyone else including Sheikhs give me the same interpretation. (The article includes Ibn Abbas' interpretation)

    If you read the article to its end you will also find that there is a strong hadith about the very same topic making the exact same description about shooting stars and Jinns.

    You can also read it in the arabic quran, you can find it in surat el jin, el aaraf, el hagar.. there are others but i cant recall..
    In reality you have two choices here and the Quran and Islam is the wrong answer twice. Either you do what you say or you do what Ze says. BOTH options tell you science is the way to go and BOTH options tell you you might as well throw away the Quran.
     
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    The belief in jinns date back to pre-Islamic arabia. Pre-Islamic poetry is full of Jinn stories; usual sunni muslims believe in jinn as they are mentioned in both quran and hadith, i do not know if ahmadis believe in Jinn, sunnis do.
     

    Zé Tahir

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    Hey, sorry I forgot all about this thread as I got busy with studying for my test. I want to give a proper reply so I'll get back to you (I'll try to remember this time :p ).
     

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