Military plans against irans 'nuclear' capabilities. (1 Viewer)

Ford Prefect

A Rebel Without Applause
May 28, 2009
10,557
#1
If this was in the Mail, Sun or Times etc. I would ignore it out of hand, but the Guardian is more trust worthy than most.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/02/uk-military-iran-attack-nuclear

Britain's armed forces are stepping up their contingency planning for potential military action against Iran amid mounting concern about Tehran's nuclear enrichment programme, the Guardian has learned.

The Ministry of Defence believes the US may decide to fast-forward plans for targeted missile strikes at some key Iranian facilities. British officials say that if Washington presses ahead it will seek, and receive, UK military help for any mission, despite some deep reservations within the coalition government.

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I highly doubt any military action will be taken, but if it does it is fucking ludicrous. Iran are no more threat to anyone than they have been since the fall of the persian empire. If they want to have nuclear capabilities they are no threat to us in the west, Israel can stand up for itself and no-one is stupid enough to launch nukes at their neighbours. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has very little real power, its the ayatollah and the supreme council and they are getting pissed off with him and they don't want to to piss off the US.

Is anyone else getting tired of these wars against an invisible boogey man. The cold war ended 20 years ago, why 10 years later did there have to be another one created? eurgh.

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http://www.cracked.com/article_19461_6-b.s.-myths-you-probably-believe-about-americas-enemies.html

What You've Heard:

It's easy to see why people are afraid of Iran. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has threatened to wipe Israel off the map and claimed the United States was behind 9/11. You wouldn't trust anyone who says things like that to be in charge of a country!

Actually:

That's why Ahmadinejad isn't in charge -- Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is. Despite a title that sounds like an overcompensating member of the Wu-Tang Clan, Khamenei has been running the show for years. See, unlike our president, Ahmadinejad doesn't control Iran's nuclear strategy, armed forces or even foreign policy.

Ahmadinejad is more like the Joe Biden of Iran -- he says stupid things that embarrass the country, but the guy in power thinks he's a good enough shit, so he keeps him around. Though even that gives President Spell-Check a little too much credit, because Ahmadinejad isn't even the second most powerful guy in the country.

Try 14th. In addition to Lord Sexgantic Ayatollah Khamenei, he's outranked by the 12 members of the Guardian Council, which sounds like something out of the extended Star Wars universe, but actually functions more like Ahmadinejad's boss. They can shoot down his ideas via veto and get to decide who runs for president in the first place.

As the Iranian people know, Ahmadinejad doesn't even have the power to get women into soccer games (one of his campaign promises in 2007), and he has become increasingly unpopular among the masses with every day in office.

The problem is that the West pays such an unreasonable amount of attention to Ahmadinejad that according to political experts, it's one of the only things keeping him relevant in Iran. Despite a failed economic policy, and the fact that he's pissed of the Ayatollah so much that experts don't expect him to finish his second term, the Iranian people feel like they have to pay attention to him because America is paying attention to him. And America is paying attention to him because his job title sounds impressive to us.

OK, but even if Ahmadinejad isn't in charge, the real leaders are religious hard-liners who hate America. So Iran is still a threat, right? Actually, their annual military budget is around nine billion dollars, which puts them behind the powerhouses like Greece and Australia. In terms of per capita spending, Iran is dead last in the gulf region. Nuclear weapons aren't a concern, either, as U.S. intelligence agencies believe Iran has halted its program.

Making your enemies seem like unbalanced lunatics is just an old propaganda trick. For instance, remember that comment about wanting to wipe Israel off the map? According to the people who translated the statement in the first place, it was translated worse than a Final Fantasy game, due to "time pressure to produce a translation quickly." It would be more accurate to say Ahmadinejad wanted to see a regime change, which is a pretty common statement in global politics.

Of course, the media didn't have to exaggerate his statements denying the Holocaust and claiming that the U.S. was behind 9/11. They just had to ignore the fact that the guy saying it doesn't matter.
 

Byrone

Peen Meister
Dec 19, 2005
30,778
#6
With global recession it's no surprise that these sort of stories will pop up, gotta make cash one way or another.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,480
#7
regardless of what anyone thinks, if Iran is successful at developing nuclear weapons (and they will with the help of the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and even India), they WILL use them.

They dont give a rats ass about their neighbors (they dont give a shit about their own people, ffs) they will use them in an attempt to take out Israel, and anyone else who stands in their way

For the good of the world, take them out before they have the chance to take any other countries out
 
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Ford Prefect

Ford Prefect

A Rebel Without Applause
May 28, 2009
10,557
#9
regardless of what anyone thinks, if Iran is successful at developing nuclear weapons (and they will with the help of the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and even India), they WILL use them.

They dont give a rats ass about their neighbors (they dont give a shit about their own people, ffs) they will use them in an attempt to take out Israel, and anyone else who stands in their way

For the good of the world, take them out before they have the chance to take any other countries out
Can i assume you read neither of the articles i posted?

(when you enter into a debate its worth reading what the discusion is about)

Also what year are you living in? Soviet Union collapsed 20 years ago buddy! :tup:

Also North Korea doesn't have any money (read the cracked article i posted).
 
Jul 2, 2006
14,992
#14
regardless of what anyone thinks, if Iran is successful at developing nuclear weapons (and they will with the help of the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and even India), they WILL use them.

They dont give a rats ass about their neighbors (they dont give a shit about their own people, ffs) they will use them in an attempt to take out Israel, and anyone else who stands in their way

For the good of the world, take them out before they have the chance to take any other countries out
Until they use them that shame belongs to USA.
 

Preet

Powerpuff G!
Sep 7, 2010
3,522
#16
why would china want to help blow up usa when they owe them so much? why would india help blow up usa when the usa is one of india's biggest trade partners? seriously referring to russia as the soviet union?? really, i mean really?
 

Kyle

Piemonte Calcio
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
65,309
#17
why would china want to help blow up usa when they owe them so much? why would india help blow up usa when the usa is one of india's biggest trade partners? seriously referring to russia as the soviet union?? really, i mean really?
Iran isn't targeting the US they would be targeting Israel.
 

Alen

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2007
49,018
#20
why would china want to help blow up usa when they owe them so much? why would india help blow up usa when the usa is one of india's biggest trade partners? seriously referring to russia as the soviet union?? really, i mean really?
And also, why would a nuclear power help another country become a nuclear power? It might seem logical now, but in 20-30 years that country might become Russia's enemy and if they're as crazy as Vinman thinks, they'll target Russia with the nukes.

If I was a country and a nuclear power, I'd prefer if as few countries possible have nukes.
 

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