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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Almost mind boggling at times, brother.

To the point that I can't be bothered with the back and forth. End up pointing out obvious things that every half-tuned in Juventino should already understand. Pretty much a waste of time talking about the league-wide fallout after Calciopoli, Italian recession, regressive FIGC dinosaurs incompetently sabotaging their own future, general lack of infrastructure, sheiks/oligarchs/countries destroying the market as they try to buy their way to trophies (to the detriment of football as a whole), half-baked ineffectual UEFA measures, EPL TV money, Barca's youth academy, Madrid being Madrid, generational players, Bayern management, German league infrastructure/accessibility/marketability, etc.

But if only we could play flair and fancy football, all would be so different. Then pundits and our BPL friends wouldn't look down their noses at us, and we could respect ourselves. Finally look ourselves in the mirror, and be proud of what we saw. Despite the past 6 seasons. Fucking hell.

Also unreal that because of 1 half against Madrid, some people act like Juve didn't play attractive football last season -- despite the club's quality play being recognized by pretty much everyone abroad. Or like we weren't an incorrectly called offside goal or Patrice Evra brain fart from beating Bayern the season before. As though the 2015 final wasn't against possibly the greatest attacking trio in modern football history. Man, what a terrible Juventus side that was to watch, huh? :shifty: That game against Barca was so fucking close, it makes me sick just thinking about it.

Loved the Mandzukic reference, too. Heh. He's struggling big time right now, will gradually change roles, but has obviously been an important player for our success these past years. Can also occasionally get some clicks... or so I heard, from everybody I know who watches football.


This team is beat to shit right now, and grinding out results on the seat of their pants. Context is so important.
:agree:

Another great post.

The Mandzukic reference made me laugh too, considering he scored an all-time great goal as far as style goes in the CL final just last year.
 

Rollie

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2008
5,143
Re-bold: Hell no. We arent known for attractive football at all.

That Manzukic goal was actually widely shared because of its flair. If you want to pretend that goals like that or beautiful goals or aesthetically pleasing play at all have been our normal for the last 2 years then I dont know what to say. You and I both know we have good results but not good style. I dont see a point in denying it. I think when more than half the largest English speaking forum of the club are saying the football is ugly then that is indicative of something. The fan base on this very forum are dissatisfied. Call it spoiled or low loyalty or whatever this is the fanbase now and if the type of fans that watch almost every game and spend hours on forums talking about the club are getting disengaged out of boredom then that says something.

The world has changed. Back in the day, I only had access to Serie A on cable TV. Almost the entire middle east had nothing to watch but Serie A. Today for free I can stream any match in world football that I want. If you are not entertaining to watch, young people and new fans have a host of options to choose from. I almost always stream 2 matches at once because of how boring the matches are. If I was new to football or a kid now, the chances I'd be a Juve fan that watches every game would have been close to zero.
:sergio:

FFS. Reading comprehension, Hist.

CONTEXT. Jesus, man. Nobody thinks we've played really attractive football this year; obviously. The team has been imbalanced from the start of the year, and the past two plus months has had a massive injury crisis to contend with. That's the point, there are obvious reasons why this team is struggling for form. Maybe try giving our games your full attention, and you might realize that.

Ugly as hell for much of this season, but last year is a different story -- don't give me this 2 years BS. We played a pretty entertaining 4-2-3-1, got up and down, played with structure but scored quite a few goals -- and some very pretty ones along the way. Moved the ball around pretty well. My close friends, who are basically EPL or La Liga folks, cheering for the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Dortmund, Madrid, etc., loved watching Juve in Europe. Announcers around the world fell in love with this team, to the point they were overhyped, and considered favourites by some against Madrid.

You think we played unattractive football in 2015, with that midfield and attack? Again, what are you talking about? That Juventus was great to watch.

This forum is ridiculous right now, but spare me you trying to lump the posters into one big pot. We may have a lot of fair-weather fans, but most of the folks who were on here when I started, and basically all of the quality posters I read around here, don't simply think we need to play more attractive football. They understand there are some pretty unusual circumstances directly affecting the team right now, and that things won't get ironed out until we get a lot of players back -- and probably not until we get reinforcements in the summer, to properly balance the midfield. This is a team that spent it's money on wingers this year, and we now have 3 attackers healthy for the second leg against Tottenham.
One of them - Higuain - isn't particularly healthy.

The world has changed. Beyond accessibility, we've got a bunch of spoiled fans who can't remember what it was like to go through Calciopoli, who have taken for granted 6 consecutive Scudetti, 3 consecutive Coppas, and 2/3 CL finals. Fans who are always playing at 'the grass is greener', who want us to have the most spending power despite that not being realistic. Frankly, trying to spend big like that would be a road to ruin at the moment. Fans who can't understand that there are fundamental issues at play in Italian football that need to be addressed to raise the revenue stream and appeal of Juventus and Italian football in general.

Playing highly attacking tactics is not going to magically transform this team into a top 5 revenue earner. It's a pretty damn complicated issue, as I tried to point out - and as you totally ignored - in the last post I wrote. Which is why discussions like this are a waste of time.

Maybe you should simply pick another team, already?
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,716
:sergio:

FFS. Reading comprehension, Hist.

CONTEXT. Jesus, man. Nobody thinks we've played really attractive football this year; obviously. The team has been imbalanced from the start of the year, and the past two plus months has had a massive injury crisis to contend with. That's the point, there are obvious reasons why this team is struggling for form. Maybe try giving our games your full attention, and you might realize that.

Ugly as hell for much of this season, but last year is a different story -- don't give me this 2 years BS. We played a pretty entertaining 4-2-3-1, got up and down, played with structure but scored quite a few goals -- and some very pretty ones along the way. Moved the ball around pretty well. My close friends, who are basically EPL or La Liga folks, cheering for the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Dortmund, Madrid, etc., loved watching Juve in Europe. Announcers around the world fell in love with this team, to the point they were overhyped, and considered favourites by some against Madrid.

You think we played unattractive football in 2015, with that midfield and attack? Again, what are you talking about? That Juventus was great to watch.

This forum is ridiculous right now, but spare me you trying to lump the posters into one big pot. We may have a lot of fair-weather fans, but most of the folks who were on here when I started, and basically all of the quality posters I read around here, don't simply think we need to play more attractive football. They understand there are some pretty unusual circumstances directly affecting the team right now, and that things won't get ironed out until we get a lot of players back -- and probably not until we get reinforcements in the summer, to properly balance the midfield. This is a team that spent it's money on wingers this year, and we now have 3 attackers healthy for the second leg against Tottenham.
One of them - Higuain - isn't particularly healthy.

The world has changed. Beyond accessibility, we've got a bunch of spoiled fans who can't remember what it was like to go through Calciopoli, who have taken for granted 6 consecutive Scudetti, 3 consecutive Coppas, and 2/3 CL finals. Fans who are always playing at 'the grass is greener', who want us to have the most spending power despite that not being realistic. Frankly, trying to spend big like that would be a road to ruin at the moment. Fans who can't understand that there are fundamental issues at play in Italian football that need to be addressed to raise the revenue stream and appeal of Juventus and Italian football in general.

Playing highly attacking tactics is not going to magically transform this team into a top 5 revenue earner. It's a pretty damn complicated issue, as I tried to point out - and as you totally ignored - in the last post I wrote. Which is why discussions like this are a waste of time.

Maybe you should simply pick another team, already?
:tup:
 
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Mark

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    twice the same guy asks Max how can Tottenham be compared to nipples...:sergio:

    Max said Tottenham have a giant in front while nipples have a munchkin...

    :lol2:

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    Max says Dybala and Higuain will start and probably D. Costa too.

    Might take off a mid. :scared:
     

    icemaη

    Rab's Husband - The Regista
    Moderator
    Aug 27, 2008
    36,525
    twice the same guy asks Max how can Tottenham be compared to nipples...:sergio:

    Max said Tottenham have a giant in front while nipples have a munchkin...

    :lol2:

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    Max says Dybala and Higuain will start and probably D. Costa too.

    Might take off a mid. :scared:
    If we play with 2 man mid, might as well not turn up.
     

    Bianconero_Aus

    Beppe Marotta Is My God
    May 26, 2009
    81,723
    The footballing section of this forum is truly disgusting right now.
    I just don’t bother with it, or take it seriously anymore.

    Plenty of our so called “fans” are truly unaware that we are in a golden age of this club at the moment, an age that could come to an end at any time. There is no guarantee of our success in Italy or in Europe, yet our fans seem to take this team for granted or even enjoy our victories. Truly spoilt. They all deserve the Secco/Cobolli Gigi days agaib.
     

    Hust

    Senior Member
    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
    93,716
    Marchisio - Pjanic - Matuidi

    Dybala - Higuain - D. Costa

    Do it.
    I had the same formation :touched:

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    icemaη;5691411 said:
    @Post Ironic, I wonder how many views and likes PSG will get for losing beautifully?
    So much revenue growth from that loss. :seven:
    You asses :lol:

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    I just don’t bother with it, or take it seriously anymore.

    Plenty of our so called “fans” are truly unaware that we are in a golden age of this club at the moment, an age that could come to an end at any time. There is no guarantee of our success in Italy or in Europe, yet our fans seem to take this team for granted or even enjoy our victories. Truly spoilt. They all deserve the Secco/Cobolli Gigi days agaib.
    For some that time has been coming the day Marotta became the SD.
     

    Hydde

    Minimiliano Tristelli
    Mar 6, 2003
    39,026
    Since last season it has been especially bad. Previous years it was more entertaining but still not to the level that people would classify our football as appealing. Bayern has that brand of football that isnt all out attack but it is dominant and attractive. I really think we can emulate their style and if we do, we'd be better off in the long run.
    But you know,
    In the first allegri season, specifically the 2nd half (when he was forced to abandon the 352 because of inminent CL elimination), we played good football. It was very juve. Not tikitaka, we played defensively but countered a lot with tebez and morata, and our midfield was solid. I really enjoyed that half season. I think we played our best.

    After that, we have been gradually playing worst until now. We had a glimmer of good form when we changed to 4231, but it didnt lasted long.

    Now we are, well, not playing to our standards. We can give more

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    Allegri is undoubtetly one of the best to have coached us, and he's one of the best in the world. He deserves more support from the management, I want him to have a stronger influence on our mercatos and to be in here for a long time. I doubt either will happen as he'll most likely be scapegoated for whatever short comings that may happen.
    It would be a good start.

    If we want to win the CL, he cannot let marotta do whatever he pleases. And if agnelli and beppe dont like this, then they cna fire him but allegri would have done what was needed
     

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