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Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,659
Often I watch us play (especially the last 2 seasons) and throughout the match be on my nerves and observe everything thats going wrong on the field from narrowly missed chances that the opposition has against us to the terrible passing game and mistakes we make throughout the game, and it all brings me down. Then BAM! a miracle occurs and we somehow get the result.

If I switch on a random Juve match, I think man we suck its a miracle that we got the result. This is a weak team that got lucky on the night. But then I recall another game when the same thing happened then another and another. I then see a pattern that this isnt a one off thing we somehow manage to play poorly and yet win on a consistent basis under Allegri, he is either the luckiest coach alive or he figured out a method that no one else understands that somehow creates miracles consistently.

2 seasons in a row now we have been doing this. Its waaaay more likely that Allegri has a method that I dont understand than that we have divine intervention on our side. I look at the big picture and the consistent delivery of results and I say man this Juve is so strong. If I told you there is a team in one of the big leagues in Europe that has won the double 3 times in a row and reached 2 champions league finals and asked you to pretend that you know nothing else about this team and you have never seen them play, what would you imagine their day to day performances to be like? You'd imagine that they control most games and win them comfortably with a few goals scored. They must have a strong midfield with a great passing game and a lethal strike force.

But then I zoom in on any individual match and I see a team that struggles to keep the ball even when it tries to. A team that makes many mispasses and has no clear attacking strategy. A team with slow midfielders and an old defense and out of form strikers . A team thats ravaged with injuries throughout that has to really grind results almost all the time. In short, almost a complete opposite of what you'd imagine a team with our results looks like.

I can't figure it out. How the fuck do we get these results. From outside, the results speak of a footballing masterclass but once you zoom in, its the opposite of that. I really don't know how he does it and for that I have full respect to Allegri. I have never seen a coach that made me feel so stupid about football.

Its as if the highest performing employee in your company (and its a hugely successful company) is a depressed man who hates his job and hates his life and doesnt embody company values at all. You see his stats and you think man that guy must be a super star let me talk to him to draw some lessons for others and then you talk to him and all you see are things that should be negative and you are left scratching your head thinking "how the fuck does he get these stats". Allegri is either super lucky or I dont really understand football's intricacies. His track record suggests its the latter.
 

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Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,505
If we play anything like we did last night against Tottenham we are going home

Usually Allegri gets the team performing for the CL matches so I am expecting a much better performance

There are massive problems at Juventus it's clear for anyone to see, we need a very good mercato this Summer to fix all the problems
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,700
If we play anything like we did last night against Tottenham we are going home

Usually Allegri gets the team performing for the CL matches so I am expecting a much better performance

There are massive problems at Juventus it's clear for anyone to see, we need a very good mercato this Summer to fix all the problems
It will be different game as we have to score two goals as spurs will score atleast one goal so we can't play a 3-5-2 formation I hope we get fair share of luck in this game
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
17,255
Often I watch us play (especially the last 2 seasons) and throughout the match be on my nerves and observe everything thats going wrong on the field from narrowly missed chances that the opposition has against us to the terrible passing game and mistakes we make throughout the game, and it all brings me down. Then BAM! a miracle occurs and we somehow get the result.

If I switch on a random Juve match, I think man we suck its a miracle that we got the result. This is a weak team that got lucky on the night. But then I recall another game when the same thing happened then another and another. I then see a pattern that this isnt a one off thing we somehow manage to play poorly and yet win on a consistent basis under Allegri, he is either the luckiest coach alive or he figured out a method that no one else understands that somehow creates miracles consistently.

2 seasons in a row now we have been doing this. Its waaaay more likely that Allegri has a method that I dont understand than that we have divine intervention on our side. I look at the big picture and the consistent delivery of results and I say man this Juve is so strong. If I told you there is a team in one of the big leagues in Europe that has won the double 3 times in a row and reached 2 champions league finals and asked you to pretend that you know nothing else about this team and you have never seen them play, what would you imagine their day to day performances to be like? You'd imagine that they control most games and win them comfortably with a few goals scored. They must have a strong midfield with a great passing game and a lethal strike force.

But then I zoom in on any individual match and I see a team that struggles to keep the ball even when it tries to. A team that makes many mispasses and has no clear attacking strategy. A team with slow midfielders and an old defense and out of form strikers . A team thats ravaged with injuries throughout that has to really grind results almost all the time. In short, almost a complete opposite of what you'd imagine a team with our results looks like.

I can't figure it out. How the $#@! do we get these results. From outside, the results speak of a footballing masterclass but once you zoom in, its the opposite of that. I really don't know how he does it and for that I have full respect to Allegri. I have never seen a coach that made me feel so stupid about football.

Its as if the highest performing employee in your company (and its a hugely successful company) is a depressed man who hates his job and hates his life and doesnt embody company values at all. You see his stats and you think man that guy must be a super star let me talk to him to draw some lessons for others and then you talk to him and all you see are things that should be negative and you are left scratching your head thinking "how the $#@! does he get these stats". Allegri is either super lucky or I dont really understand football's intricacies. His track record suggests its the latter.
I think experience plays a part, especially in serie A but that's not everything I'm somewhat stumped myself.

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Apr 19, 2007
3,959
IMO Allegri knows that if you want to do the domination game like Barca or Real do you need to be better at it than the other team you face or you crumble. This is the problem with Napoli IMO. They will dominate weak teams and then when faced with a top level team they struggle. They can still win the league with this and honestly we would own the league even more if we played like this but thats not our goal. Max buids our teams to play against those top 5 teams. The Barca,Madris,Bayern,Man city and Psg. Psg is the prime example to me of just not being good enough at their game and not having enough experience or tactical fortitude to overcome this. It sucks because 90% of our games looks like shit but even the last Tottenham game we could have won by 4 goals if we executed great chances.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,182
IMO Allegri knows that if you want to do the domination game like Barca or Real do you need to be better at it than the other team you face or you crumble. This is the problem with Napoli IMO. They will dominate weak teams and then when faced with a top level team they struggle. They can still win the league with this and honestly we would own the league even more if we played like this but thats not our goal. Max buids our teams to play against those top 5 teams. The Barca,Madris,Bayern,Man city and Psg. Psg is the prime example to me of just not being good enough at their game and not having enough experience or tactical fortitude to overcome this. It sucks because 90% of our games looks like shit but even the last Tottenham game we could have won by 4 goals if we executed great chances.
That's not on Allegri alone tho. If you keep chopping and changing, it takes time for the team to gel and find consistency. Allow the man to work with the same core, the same team for 3 seasons, and I'm sure the performances will be more aesthetically pleasing.
 
Apr 19, 2007
3,959
That's not on Allegri alone tho. If you keep chopping and changing, it takes time for the team to gel and find consistency. Allow the man to work with the same core, the same team for 3 seasons, and I'm sure the performances will be more aesthetically pleasing.
Im not blaming Allegri at all. Im one of his biggest supporters. Im just saying that he built this team for the CL and so everything else is almost treated as practice games for use facing a team like Barca where we wont have possession on the night. But Tottenham was a lot left on the table Higgy should have done better for all the hard work he put in.
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
Often I watch us play (especially the last 2 seasons) and throughout the match be on my nerves and observe everything thats going wrong on the field from narrowly missed chances that the opposition has against us to the terrible passing game and mistakes we make throughout the game, and it all brings me down. Then BAM! a miracle occurs and we somehow get the result.

If I switch on a random Juve match, I think man we suck its a miracle that we got the result. This is a weak team that got lucky on the night. But then I recall another game when the same thing happened then another and another. I then see a pattern that this isnt a one off thing we somehow manage to play poorly and yet win on a consistent basis under Allegri, he is either the luckiest coach alive or he figured out a method that no one else understands that somehow creates miracles consistently.

2 seasons in a row now we have been doing this. Its waaaay more likely that Allegri has a method that I dont understand than that we have divine intervention on our side. I look at the big picture and the consistent delivery of results and I say man this Juve is so strong. If I told you there is a team in one of the big leagues in Europe that has won the double 3 times in a row and reached 2 champions league finals and asked you to pretend that you know nothing else about this team and you have never seen them play, what would you imagine their day to day performances to be like? You'd imagine that they control most games and win them comfortably with a few goals scored. They must have a strong midfield with a great passing game and a lethal strike force.

But then I zoom in on any individual match and I see a team that struggles to keep the ball even when it tries to. A team that makes many mispasses and has no clear attacking strategy. A team with slow midfielders and an old defense and out of form strikers . A team thats ravaged with injuries throughout that has to really grind results almost all the time. In short, almost a complete opposite of what you'd imagine a team with our results looks like.

I can't figure it out. How the $#@! do we get these results. From outside, the results speak of a footballing masterclass but once you zoom in, its the opposite of that. I really don't know how he does it and for that I have full respect to Allegri. I have never seen a coach that made me feel so stupid about football.

Its as if the highest performing employee in your company (and its a hugely successful company) is a depressed man who hates his job and hates his life and doesnt embody company values at all. You see his stats and you think man that guy must be a super star let me talk to him to draw some lessons for others and then you talk to him and all you see are things that should be negative and you are left scratching your head thinking "how the $#@! does he get these stats". Allegri is either super lucky or I dont really understand football's intricacies. His track record suggests its the latter.
Top post!

You watch us week to week and think what a hopeless team, then you look at the results for the last few years and think wow, what an amazing team, up there with anyone in the world!

The two just don't add up!

I would throw a caveat in there though - for the matches in UCL that have really mattered, we have been found out more than once. Both finals, the Bayern Munich 2-0 debacles that ends up 4-2 (Vidal and Coman playing a significant role in that), and the recent Tottenham 2-0 game. These games are all you could say marker-posts for where the team is really at in terms of quality.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
39,026
Often I watch us play (especially the last 2 seasons) and throughout the match be on my nerves and observe everything thats going wrong on the field from narrowly missed chances that the opposition has against us to the terrible passing game and mistakes we make throughout the game, and it all brings me down. Then BAM! a miracle occurs and we somehow get the result.

If I switch on a random Juve match, I think man we suck its a miracle that we got the result. This is a weak team that got lucky on the night. But then I recall another game when the same thing happened then another and another. I then see a pattern that this isnt a one off thing we somehow manage to play poorly and yet win on a consistent basis under Allegri, he is either the luckiest coach alive or he figured out a method that no one else understands that somehow creates miracles consistently.

2 seasons in a row now we have been doing this. Its waaaay more likely that Allegri has a method that I dont understand than that we have divine intervention on our side. I look at the big picture and the consistent delivery of results and I say man this Juve is so strong. If I told you there is a team in one of the big leagues in Europe that has won the double 3 times in a row and reached 2 champions league finals and asked you to pretend that you know nothing else about this team and you have never seen them play, what would you imagine their day to day performances to be like? You'd imagine that they control most games and win them comfortably with a few goals scored. They must have a strong midfield with a great passing game and a lethal strike force.

But then I zoom in on any individual match and I see a team that struggles to keep the ball even when it tries to. A team that makes many mispasses and has no clear attacking strategy. A team with slow midfielders and an old defense and out of form strikers . A team thats ravaged with injuries throughout that has to really grind results almost all the time. In short, almost a complete opposite of what you'd imagine a team with our results looks like.

I can't figure it out. How the $#@! do we get these results. From outside, the results speak of a footballing masterclass but once you zoom in, its the opposite of that. I really don't know how he does it and for that I have full respect to Allegri. I have never seen a coach that made me feel so stupid about football.

Its as if the highest performing employee in your company (and its a hugely successful company) is a depressed man who hates his job and hates his life and doesnt embody company values at all. You see his stats and you think man that guy must be a super star let me talk to him to draw some lessons for others and then you talk to him and all you see are things that should be negative and you are left scratching your head thinking "how the $#@! does he get these stats". Allegri is either super lucky or I dont really understand football's intricacies. His track record suggests its the latter.
nailed it.
While i undertsand from allegri, is that he really knows how to order the team to prevent loses. But well there are exceptions and when that happens we pay the price.

Top post!

You watch us week to week and think what a hopeless team, then you look at the results for the last few years and think wow, what an amazing team, up there with anyone in the world!

The two just don't add up!

I would throw a caveat in there though - for the matches in UCL that have really mattered, we have been found out more than once. Both finals, the Bayern Munich 2-0 debacles that ends up 4-2 (Vidal and Coman playing a significant role in that), and the recent Tottenham 2-0 game. These games are all you could say marker-posts for where the team is really at in terms of quality.
yup
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,974
Top post!

You watch us week to week and think what a hopeless team, then you look at the results for the last few years and think wow, what an amazing team, up there with anyone in the world!

The two just don't add up!

I would throw a caveat in there though - for the matches in UCL that have really mattered, we have been found out more than once. Both finals, the Bayern Munich 2-0 debacles that ends up 4-2 (Vidal and Coman playing a significant role in that), and the recent Tottenham 2-0 game. These games are all you could say marker-posts for where the team is really at in terms of quality.
I guess when we beat Barca, Real, Dortmund, Monaco, etc. Those don't really matter
 

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