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Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,341
I cant help but wonder if we had lost this game down to a defensive howler whether people would question the decision to drop bonucci?

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he will build a great dynasty with arsenal
That howler ain't happening with Barzagli and Chiellini, bro. This isn't Manchester City, bro.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
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I cant help but wonder if we had lost this game down to a defensive howler whether people would question the decision to drop bonucci?

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he will build a great dynasty with arsenal
What Allegri did took balls, plain and simple. He could have easily benched him against Empoli. But to do it in a UCL match, on the road? That takes some guts

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Thats fair and you are entitked to your opinion. I tend to agree with you on the big club notion, but I am pretty sure that its not easy to be a manager in the cirkus that is Napoli and Roma.
I can't compare Sarri and Spaletti to someone like Allegri for the simple fact that neither one of them have coached at a club with as much pressure as Juve and Milan.

And Allegri did indeed have to deal with a circus at Milan, as every coach has had to for the past 20 years.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,989
He did the most sensible thing which was to keep the 3-5-2 and then gradually change things. I dont think im saying anything different to what your saying. We're on the same page. My point being he came in, took a winning team, took a winning formation and for first part of the season kept things rolling before tweaking and chopping changing as necessary. Sensible coach, played it safe. But then took it to a whole new level. I aint criticising him, all im saying is he played it safe for the first couple of months which aided in his success.

This is exactly what i like about Allegri, his patient approach, he calmed the tenacity down which we had with Conte. At the end it brought a system of balance. This guy deserves much praise but theres no two ways about it, his predeccessor left him a team of experienced winners, which made his life easier.
I disagree with that. IMO his overuse was not because he was doing things gradually to then finally reach the 4231 on schedule.
IMO he simply didnt know what to do with the new team. If it was like you said, we would have been testing things in preseason and rying to apply it way earlier into the season when gameplay started to suck.
It wasnt just after the milan debacle that he switched for good. I believe it was because we were playing real bad and extreme measures had to be taken.

I mean, every pundit out there was criticizing him saying we were playing way below our supposed standard, and for a reason.

It seems he only get the best out of himself in extreme situations, because the same happened in against olympiacos 2 years ago, when he finally decided to ditch 352 and use 4312. Right after that game our whole season propelled, reaching the CL final.

Its no coincidence IMO. When he ditches the 352 and starts to propose his ideas, we play much better. When he uses the conteish 352, we play just bad.
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,344
I think our list if possible should be:
1. Keep Allegri as even if we can find an improvement over him we dont know it for certain and he is actually doing a good job
2. Emeri - This guy is Mr clutch when it comes to Europe!
3. D.Simeone - Probably the best manager (after Conte) although his touchline temper is more suited to Inter...
4. Sarri - He seems to be able to get Napoli to play good football regardless of losing Higuain.. Although I`m yet to be convinced by his Europe ability (but he is playing Real who are way over their level)
5. Sousa - He is a good manager even if his Fiorentina arent doing the best this season...

Choices that could be good even if I am not sure I like them - Ancelloti - He is a great manager but we should move forward and he doesnt give the feeling of going forward
Choices that will probably be bad (IMO) even if the guy has a big rep - Guardiola - IMO he is the most overrated tactican in the world!

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I disagree with that. IMO his overuse was not because he was doing things gradually to then finally reach the 4231 on schedule.
IMO he simply didnt know what to do with the new team. If it was like you said, we would have been testing things in preseason and rying to apply it way earlier into the season when gameplay started to suck.
It wasnt just after the milan debacle that he switched for good. I believe it was because we were playing real bad and extreme measures had to be taken.

I mean, every pundit out there was criticizing him saying we were playing way below our supposed standard, and for a reason.

It seems he only get the best out of himself in extreme situations, because the same happened in against olympiacos 2 years ago, when he finally decided to ditch 352 and use 4312. Right after that game our whole season propelled, reaching the CL final.

Its no coincidence IMO. When he ditches the 352 and starts to propose his ideas, we play much better. When he uses the conteish 352, we play just bad.
The 3-5-2 worked so why change it?! Once it didnt he changed it and was smart enough to try it instead of taking us through a bad path - Even if thats not a genius move but still a good move you should still give him the credit!
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,989
I think our list if possible should be:
1. Keep Allegri as even if we can find an improvement over him we dont know it for certain and he is actually doing a good job
2. Emeri - This guy is Mr clutch when it comes to Europe!
3. D.Simeone - Probably the best manager (after Conte) although his touchline temper is more suited to Inter...
4. Sarri - He seems to be able to get Napoli to play good football regardless of losing Higuain.. Although I`m yet to be convinced by his Europe ability (but he is playing Real who are way over their level)
5. Sousa - He is a good manager even if his Fiorentina arent doing the best this season...

Choices that could be good even if I am not sure I like them - Ancelloti - He is a great manager but we should move forward and he doesnt give the feeling of going forward
Choices that will probably be bad (IMO) even if the guy has a big rep - Guardiola - IMO he is the most overrated tactican in the world!
Sarri doesnt convince me... he is too napoli stained.
In fact no coach in Italy IMO hast the pedigree to coach juve. EDF and SOusa are stong candidates, but IMO they lack experience. The same goes to Montella.
Spalleti is good but IMO he is too acustomed to the roman enviroment and to lose games.

Simeone, skillwise, would be stellar, althought it would be a shame if he imposes strictly defensive football in our team. The bad thing is that he has inter written all over him.

For me , the best would be carletto, but if we cant get him, i prefer to stay with allegri.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
I cant help but wonder if we had lost this game down to a defensive howler whether people would question the decision to drop bonucci?

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It was the management who made the decision so he would be exempt of blame and TBH it may have been more blameworthy if he occupied a position of which there was no decent cover. The good thing about this season is there is ample cover everywhere so we are in a better position to stamp our authority.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,989
I think our list if possible should be:
1. Keep Allegri as even if we can find an improvement over him we dont know it for certain and he is actually doing a good job
2. Emeri - This guy is Mr clutch when it comes to Europe!
3. D.Simeone - Probably the best manager (after Conte) although his touchline temper is more suited to Inter...
4. Sarri - He seems to be able to get Napoli to play good football regardless of losing Higuain.. Although I`m yet to be convinced by his Europe ability (but he is playing Real who are way over their level)
5. Sousa - He is a good manager even if his Fiorentina arent doing the best this season...

Choices that could be good even if I am not sure I like them - Ancelloti - He is a great manager but we should move forward and he doesnt give the feeling of going forward
Choices that will probably be bad (IMO) even if the guy has a big rep - Guardiola - IMO he is the most overrated tactican in the world!

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The 3-5-2 worked so why change it?! Once it didnt he changed it and was smart enough to try it instead of taking us through a bad path - Even if thats not a genius move but still a good move you should still give him the credit!
worked on results maybe, but with the amount of good attackers we had, our team was just not clicking and it was for all to see. Just look at us now, even in our bad games we play acceptably good football. With 352 it was nightmarish.
i give him credit, yes i do. Its just that he hesitated wayy too much time, when he is fully capable of doing it.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,989
It was the management who made the decision so he would be exempt of blame and TBH it may have been more blameworthy if he occupied a position of which there was no decent cover. The good thing about this season is there is ample cover everywhere so we are in a better position to stamp our authority.
Supposedly they let Allegri took the decition of dropping him or not. It was a ballsy decition but it had to be taken... because if we conveniently let him play against porto, but sit down on the weekend, we would have looked like cowards.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
I disagree with that. IMO his overuse was not because he was doing things gradually to then finally reach the 4231 on schedule.
IMO he simply didnt know what to do with the new team. If it was like you said, we would have been testing things in preseason and rying to apply it way earlier into the season when gameplay started to suck.
During his appointment mid July, he only had one month to bring everyone back to shape and see what they were capable off in the tried and tested formation that the players were already used to. It was risky to try new formations. Your right though, he didnt know what to do which is why he took the safest option.
 

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