Massimiliano Allegri (418 Viewers)

[Nzoric]

I'm actually trying to have a discussion in there and I wanted your and baus' perspective on it. Incredible how the mods stifle constructive discussions amid an avalanche of trolling that is tearing the very foundation of this community apart.

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

@Nzoric mentions me in the thread and I can't see it

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yep

Here you go buddy

@Bianconero_Aus @Hustini

What would you guys say is the most important heritage from Contes time in this team? I find it intriguing to discuss what coaches keep from their predecessors while trying to tweak it into their own philosophy.

 

[Hust]

Well, I'm not one to over-step the boundaries of off-topic discussions on this forum so I'd rather see out the duration of my omission from the Conte thread.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Very wise

 

[Nzoric]

Well, I'm not one to over-step the boundaries of off-topic discussions on this forum so I'd rather see out the duration of my omission from the Conte thread.

I, for one, am looking forward to a time where worthy contributors can once again access relevant threads to discuss their passion in the right venue. Honestly interested in your answer, but perhaps you should PM me if you feel like debating it.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Well, I'm not one to over-step the boundaries of off-topic discussions on this forum so I'd rather see out the duration of my omission from the Conte thread.

Which translates to: fuck X

 

[Hust]

I, for one, am looking forward to a time where worthy contributors can once again access relevant threads to discuss their passion in the right venue. Honestly interested in your answer, but perhaps you should PM me if you feel like debating it.

Indeed. Considering the dynamic of this community, anything worth debating surely must be done publicly in order for even the most infrequent contributors to gain a sense of camaraderie. Once my justly delivered ban duration is upheld and expires I will most notably maintain my most meaningful contributions to the former tactician.

Furthermore, between this very moment and then I wish to beget my ever rising admiration to our current representative of the post, Max Allegri.

 

[Post Ironic]

Going back to the first pages of this thread you can see how very few of us believed in him, i'm one that didn't. And look where we are now.

Euromaxxx, the tuz apologises. @Hustini will give you a happy ending later on tonight to compensate for all the trouble.

I like to tease all the people who went into total meltdown when Conte quit and Allegri was hired, but... I'm sure glad I waited a few days to post in the Allegri thread. I wouldn't have been ecstatic, that's for sure.

I was pretty much just pissed at Conte for abandoning the team when he did, and wasn't thinking too much about Allegri as a replacement. After a few days had passed, I'd basically said fuck Conte, fuck this situation, and let's see what Allegri can do... even if I didn't have a huge amount of faith in Allegri, I thought we'd be okay with all the experience and leadership in the team Beppe has assembled.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I'm actually trying to have a discussion in there and I wanted your and baus' perspective on it. Incredible how the mods stifle constructive discussions amid an avalanche of trolling that is tearing the very foundation of this community apart.

Ive just seen your mention but I can't access it because of the useless fucking thread ban

Maybe we should start our own "rogue" Conte thread?

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Here you go buddy

@Nzoric

Conte brought back our winning mentality and grinta. No two ways about it. Allegri teams weren't really known for grinta/workrate but its clear both of those traits are still evident throughout the squad, something that Allegri inherited from the wigged one. He also brought us his version of the 3-5-2, which Allegri has also used and tweaked successfully it in his own way.

Ill forever be grateful for what he achieved to get this club back on track, but ill never be able to forgive him for the extremely disrespectful way he left the club. I actually have no doubt at all in my mind that he badly regrets his choice now.

Now I don't know if you seriously wanted my opinion or not, or if you were just trying to circumvent mine and @Hustini thread ban

 

[Hust]

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Exit the building like...

Allegri dat nigga

 

[Hist]

Ive just seen your mention but I can't access it because of the useless $#@!ing thread ban

Maybe we should start our own "rogue" Conte thread?

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@Nzoric

Conte brought back our winning mentality and grinta. No two ways about it. Allegri teams weren't really known for grinta/workrate but its clear both of those traits are still evident throughout the squad, something that Allegri inherited from the wigged one. He also brought us his version of the 3-5-2, which Allegri has also used and tweaked successfully it in his own way.

Ill forever be grateful for what he achieved to get this club back on track, but ill never be able to forgive him for the extremely disrespectful way he left the club. I actually have no doubt at all in my mind that he badly regrets his choice now.

Now I don't know if you seriously wanted my opinion or not, or if you were just trying to circumvent mine and @Hustini thread ban

He told the club he wanted to leave because he lost motivation. They told him to take his summer break and come back and if he still felt that he is not motivated then he should go. He did exactly that and resigned when he felt he wasn't up for it. Whats wrong with that? Would you rather he stayed on without motivation? What is a respectable way to end things?

Management are more responsible for the timing than he is and they adequately replaced him so they knew what they were doing. They hoped he would feel good after his break and when they found that he didnt feel good they let him go and they replaced him.

 

[Post Ironic]

He told the club he wanted to leave because he lost motivation. They told him to take his summer break and come back and if he still felt that he is not motivated then he should go. He did exactly that and resigned when he felt he wasn't up for it. Whats wrong with that? Would you rather he stayed on without motivation?

Management are more responsible for the timing than he is and they adequately replaced him so they knew what they were doing. They hoped he would feel good after his break and when they found that he didnt feel good they let him go and they replaced him.

You're oversimplifying it to make Conte look good. That's not it at all. He signed on for one more year. Management didn't tell him to take a break and come back seeing if he could handle it. They agreed to proceed with the Conte project for 1 more year, and take it from there. Management may have convinced him that 1 more year was a good idea, but he certainly agreed to it. There was never anything at all about them saying take a month and see if you still feel like coaching. It was even announced to the press that he had signed on to continue for 1 more year.

It's 100% on Conte how he left and when he left. He never should have fucking agreed to 1 more year, if he had serious doubts that he might walk away still. It was a pathetic, shit, turncoat move on his part.

 

[Hist]

You're oversimplifying it to make Conte look good. That's not it at all. He signed on for one more year. Management didn't tell him to take a break and come back seeing if he could handle it. They agreed to proceed with the Conte project for 1 more year, and take it from there. Management may have convinced him that 1 more year was a good idea, but he certainly agreed to it. There was never anything at all about them saying take a month and see if you still feel like coaching. It was even announced to the press that he had signed on to continue for 1 more year.

It's 100% on Conte how he left and when he left. He never should have $#@!ing agreed to 1 more year, if he had serious doubts that he might walk away still. It was a pathetic, $#@!, turncoat move on his part.

Pavel Nedved reveals Antonio Conte quit Juventus because “he no longer had the energy to continue and had wanted to resign in May.”

Nedved is a member of the Bianconeri backroom staff and told a Czech newspaper the reason Conte abruptly terminated his contract two days into pre-season training.

“Antonio resigned because he no longer had the energy to continue, not because of any disagreements with the directors,” assured Nedved.

“He already wanted to resign in May, but we talked it over and convinced him to think about it over the holidays.

“When he came back, he decided that he didn’t want to carry on. None of what the media have said about Conte’s resignation has been correct. He was simply tired.

“It’s true his decision surprised us, even if I’d already seen his fatigue towards the end of last season.”



http://www.football-italia.net/52343/nedved-conte-was-simply-tired






I am surprised you didn't know that

 

[Post Ironic]

Pavel Nedved reveals Antonio Conte quit Juventus because “he no longer had the energy to continue and had wanted to resign in May.”

Nedved is a member of the Bianconeri backroom staff and told a Czech newspaper the reason Conte abruptly terminated his contract two days into pre-season training.

“Antonio resigned because he no longer had the energy to continue, not because of any disagreements with the directors,” assured Nedved.

“He already wanted to resign in May, but we talked it over and convinced him to think about it over the holidays.

“When he came back, he decided that he didn’t want to carry on. None of what the media have said about Conte’s resignation has been correct. He was simply tired.

“It’s true his decision surprised us, even if I’d already seen his fatigue towards the end of last season.”



http://www.football-italia.net/52343/nedved-conte-was-simply-tired


I am surprised you didn't know that

I read that. I doubt that's exactly what happened, considering they'd announced previously a 1 year extension. That sounds more like Nedved trying to placate and mediate, and calm the situation.

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Aside from this, he took over as National team coach. He clearly wasn't too fatigued and lacking energy to carry on. Bullshit excuse. Maybe motivation was a part of it, but as soon as the NT coaching job came back, wow, that motivation and energy magically reappear, and the fatigue is washed away. He even complains that he doesn't get enough time with the players.

 

[Hist]

I read that. I doubt that's exactly what happened, considering they'd announced previously a 1 year extension. That sounds more like Nedved trying to placate and mediate, and calm the situation.

We can't tell for certain if that is THE reason he left but from what he and our management said and from the timing of his departure (2nd day in pre-season), this story looks solid.

All the evidence we have is the testimony of those involved and they gave more or less the same story. The story that says he quit because he is an asshole or over the sales of vidal and pogba (none of which happened like Marotta consistently said during that time) has no support. At best some media reports that Vidal is leaving.

Rationality entails that you follow the evidence

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I read that. I doubt that's exactly what happened, considering they'd announced previously a 1 year extension. That sounds more like Nedved trying to placate and mediate, and calm the situation.

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Aside from this, he took over as National team coach. He clearly wasn't too fatigued and lacking energy to carry on. Bull$#@! excuse. Maybe motivation was a part of it, but as soon as the NT coaching job came back, wow, that motivation and energy magically reappear, and the fatigue is washed away. He even complains that he doesn't get enough time with the players.

New project, new challenge and the feeling that you could add something are all motivational elements especially if its your NT.
At Juve, it was clear that he thought that he couldnt achieve anything better and that at best he will just repeat 2012 but never challenge unless radical changes in the transfer strategy happen. If you are tired or unmotivated at a job you dont have to take a one year sabatical, you can feel fresh in a new job and a new challenge.

 

[Post Ironic]

We can't tell for certain if that is THE reason he left but from what he and our management said and from the timing of his departure (2nd day in pre-season), this story looks solid.

All the evidence we have is the testimony of those involved and they gave more or less the same story. The story that says he quit because he is an asshole or over the sales of vidal and pogba (none of which happened like Marotta consistently said during that time) has no support. At best some media reports that Vidal is leaving.

Rationality entails that you follow the evidence

Oh, I don't agree with any of the stories about players being sold being the reason he was leaving, and I do think it was very likely a lack of motivation to continue with the Juventus project as he consistently underrated this team and the possibility for it to do even better in the future.

However, if he was so certain he wanted to leave and lacked all that motivation, he should have just insisted on leaving, rather than waiting until 2 days into training camp. And I'm pretty certain from actual Juventus releases about him agreeing to stay 1 more year, that it wasn't just a case of management saying he could have the summer vacation and then decide. I'd imagine they decided on that, he took his vacation, came back and decided he just couldn't stay the one more year. It was selfish on his part to do so. He should have left after the season. Stuck with his decision if he was so certain of it, and so in need of it, that he would leave after training camp had already started. The players all said they were shocked by it.

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He could have achieved more. He could have tried tactical flexibility and attempted a 4-3-1-2. Or a 4-4-2. Many things could have been done to achieve more. Allegri has us in CL semis, Coppa Final, and 15 points up for the scudetto.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

He told the club he wanted to leave because he lost motivation. They told him to take his summer break and come back and if he still felt that he is not motivated then he should go. He did exactly that and resigned when he felt he wasn't up for it. Whats wrong with that? Would you rather he stayed on without motivation? What is a respectable way to end things?

Management are more responsible for the timing than he is and they adequately replaced him so they knew what they were doing. They hoped he would feel good after his break and when they found that he didnt feel good they let him go and they replaced him.

The fact is he agreed to sign on for one more year...no-one put a gun to his head. Of course our management wanted him to stay on, he was a club legend who just led the club to their third straight title, its only right they'd want him to stay...but if he felt that strongly about quitting, it would have been much more beneficial for Juventus (and him) to say "thanks but no thanks" and just call it quits officially after the 13/14 season ended.

And if it's true that he wasn't happy with the clubs lack of "ambition" and the perceived "poor mercato" (lmao), then his decision looks worse. I seriously think he thought some EPL clubs or PSG would come running to him once he announced his intention to quit. That didn't eventuate, so the Italian NT job was there (with a huge pay rise) and now he is stuck coaching one of the worst Italian teams in the last 30 years. It must burn Conte big time to see how we've progressed this season. Juventus hasn't missed a beat without him.

Conte is a great manager, one of the best around, but his biggest problem is his horrible ego and his stubbornness. It was his way or the highway all the time, and he also liked making excuses for his failures. In a way it is a blessing in disguise that he left, and we got the superior tactician in EuroMaxxx, but I still feel the way he left was extremely disrespectful.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The facts are, he agreed to sign on for one more year...no-one put a gun to his head. If he felt that strongly about quitting, it would have been much more beneficial for Juventus (and him) to do so the day after the 13/14 season ended. And if it's true that he wasn't happy with the clubs lack of "ambition" and the perceived "poor mercato" (lmao), then his decision looks worse. I seriously think he thought some EPL clubs or PSG would come running to him once he announced his intention to quit. That didn't eventuate, so the Italian NT job was there (with a huge pay rise) and now he is stuck coaching one of the worst Italian teams in the last 30 years. It must burn Conte big time to see how we've progressed this season. Juventus hasn't missed a beat without him.

Conte is a great manager, one of the best around, but his biggest problem is his horrible ego and his stubbornness. It was his way or the highway all the time, and he also liked making excuses for his failures. In a way it is a blessing in disguise that he left, and we got the superior tactician in EuroMaxxx, but I still feel the way he left was extremely disrespectful.

Would +rep the shit out of you if I could

 

[Hydde]

Conte is a great manager, one of the best around

Debatable. After what im seeing.. i need further tests to measure how good of a coach he really is.