Can't Agree More Tacchi is very important for 4-2-3-1 tactic because he is it's heart.
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++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
Del Piero wasn't playing either and the score was 3-0
Tacchi has been on the bench for a lot of games this season, yet he juve has still been able to win!
Del Piero wasn't playing either and the score was 3-0
Tacchi has been on the bench for a lot of games this season, yet he juve has still been able to win!
lol..how exactly. All I remember him doing was standing around and missing about 3 sitters that a world class striker would have put away blindfolded.
oh what a surprise yet more ignorance. Tell me one thing other than finishing that Trezeguet is better at than Zalayeta. One thing!!!! Can you?? I very much doubt it!
Ali, I think you and me appreciate different types of player. I appreciate Tacchi's work since I have often played that role. His clumsy tackles are a very effective way of interrupting the flow of the opposition attacks. His job is to protect the back 4 and start off our attacks. He does this well and I don't see what else you should expect from him really.
You doubt Trez too much. I've seen strikers like Vieri two years ago against Juve and Pipo in the last match missing chances that even if they wanted to miss them i bet they wouldn't.
We have a saying in Cyprus that translates to something like:
"If you don't brag about your house it wil fall on you and smash you"
So todays lesson: Start bragging about juve players or else the roof will come on your head
Kidding
We have a saying in Cyprus that translates to something like:
"If you don't brag about your house it wil fall on you and smash you"
So todays lesson: Start bragging about juve players or else the roof will come on your head
Kidding
The players called for Barcellona
08 04 2003
1 Gianluigi BUFFON
2 Ciro FERRARA
3 Alessio TACCHINARDI
4 Paolo MONTERO
5 Igor TUDOR
7 Gianluca PESSOTTO
8 Antonio CONTE
10 Alessandro DEL PIERO
11 Pavel NEDVED
12 Antonio CHIMENTI
13 Mark IULIANO
14 Cristian ZENONI
15 Alessandro BIRINDELLI
16 Mauro CAMORANESI
18 Marco DI VAIO
19 Gianluca ZAMBROTTA
21 Lilian THURAM
22 Landry BONNEFOI
23 Ruben OLIVERA
25 Marcelo ZALAYETA
26 Edgar DAVIDS
37 Matteo PARO
Source: juventus.com (official site)
08 04 2003
1 Gianluigi BUFFON
2 Ciro FERRARA
3 Alessio TACCHINARDI
4 Paolo MONTERO
5 Igor TUDOR
7 Gianluca PESSOTTO
8 Antonio CONTE
10 Alessandro DEL PIERO
11 Pavel NEDVED
12 Antonio CHIMENTI
13 Mark IULIANO
14 Cristian ZENONI
15 Alessandro BIRINDELLI
16 Mauro CAMORANESI
18 Marco DI VAIO
19 Gianluca ZAMBROTTA
21 Lilian THURAM
22 Landry BONNEFOI
23 Ruben OLIVERA
25 Marcelo ZALAYETA
26 Edgar DAVIDS
37 Matteo PARO
Source: juventus.com (official site)
Don't pull all this crap about if the Tacchi had started juve wouldn't have lost the game!
The WHOLE team played like crap. one player is not gonna make a diference unless the whole team is playing average.
i dont know how the hell you analyise these games!!
in the ManU Game, juve had most of the ball. the problem was the tactics. you can't play 4-2-3-1 against a team that is almost qualified and is happy with a draw(and therefore only gonna site back and play counter attacks)!! Lippi had it all wrong. Ferggie won the tactical battle and the players didn't know what the hell to do. in that game, manU played 11 men in their half!! They waited for juve mistakes and they took full advantege from them.
There was barely a mid-field to control anyways! as most of them were defending and just cluttering the goal.
the 4-2-3-1 is mainly for counter attack. so don't BS your way out of it with half-assed arguments.
again, Tacchi didn't play many games inthe start of the season, yet juve played well.
about Trez in that game.
First of all, Trez did all he could do being the lone striker (a position, mind you, that he is not used to)
a world class finisher doesn't have to score from every chance he gets. BTW, not all of the chances he had were sitters. bad luck played a big facter. check out the Milan game to see what Zala could do
Trez is better than Zala in:
--Finishing (as u mentioned)
--Vision of play (he can read the game a lot better than Zala who seems lost on the field)
--Passing (Trez's great assistS last season is a great example. although he is not great, he is better than Zala)
--Positioning (Trez rarely gets cought offside compared to Zala's rate....)
these are the most important things for a striker.
Besides Brute-force and a bit of speed, Trez is better.
The WHOLE team played like crap. one player is not gonna make a diference unless the whole team is playing average.
i dont know how the hell you analyise these games!!
in the ManU Game, juve had most of the ball. the problem was the tactics. you can't play 4-2-3-1 against a team that is almost qualified and is happy with a draw(and therefore only gonna site back and play counter attacks)!! Lippi had it all wrong. Ferggie won the tactical battle and the players didn't know what the hell to do. in that game, manU played 11 men in their half!! They waited for juve mistakes and they took full advantege from them.
There was barely a mid-field to control anyways! as most of them were defending and just cluttering the goal.
the 4-2-3-1 is mainly for counter attack. so don't BS your way out of it with half-assed arguments.
again, Tacchi didn't play many games inthe start of the season, yet juve played well.
about Trez in that game.
First of all, Trez did all he could do being the lone striker (a position, mind you, that he is not used to)
a world class finisher doesn't have to score from every chance he gets. BTW, not all of the chances he had were sitters. bad luck played a big facter. check out the Milan game to see what Zala could do
Trez is better than Zala in:
--Finishing (as u mentioned)
--Vision of play (he can read the game a lot better than Zala who seems lost on the field)
--Passing (Trez's great assistS last season is a great example. although he is not great, he is better than Zala)
--Positioning (Trez rarely gets cought offside compared to Zala's rate....)
these are the most important things for a striker.
Besides Brute-force and a bit of speed, Trez is better.
i always got that fear in the back of my mind...will juve loose this one..plz no.
But barca are gonna be a tought nut to crack , especially when we cudnt crack utd......but i have faith...time for sum Dp magic maybe?? davids pulll the team thru?? Neddy who his golden ball worth quality??
lets hope Gigi dont have to show us that he is one of the best keeper in the world, but imo, he will have to show us it tomorow against saviola n co
But barca are gonna be a tought nut to crack , especially when we cudnt crack utd......but i have faith...time for sum Dp magic maybe?? davids pulll the team thru?? Neddy who his golden ball worth quality??
lets hope Gigi dont have to show us that he is one of the best keeper in the world, but imo, he will have to show us it tomorow against saviola n co
well actually I said no such thing, you're just making that up. If Tacchi had played, IMo we would have played a hell of a lot better, our midfield was blown apart without him as we had no decent holding player.
Lippi had to play 4-2-3-1 in that game. What else could he do? without delpiero we have no creative forward to a front two would not work. Besides the tactics were fine, we created enough chances we just lacked the finish (Trez played crap) and lacked calm in the middle of the park.
If you call my arguments half assed, then you should be looking at your own. You say Juve played well at the start of the season, well you and me obviously have a different idea of what playing well is! We've played well on very rare occasions this year, and Tacchinardi has been outstanding in those matches.
I remember three sitters. Three sitters in one game, and he fluffed them all. MAke of that what you will but your excuses are lame. Zala against Milan was completely starved of service yet still managed to create a chance FOR HIMSELF which was brilliantly saved! When was the last time Trezeguet created a chance for himself? sometime last century I'd wager! In addition to this his hold up play and use of his big frame were good, unlike Trez who never puts this to use.
Positioning, Trez is often miles behind the play when we counter attack, completely ruining the move.
Passing, it is very rare that trez makes an assist, much less a great one. The one V Udinese last year is the one and only example I can think of. Better than Zala yeah right, Zala is a far better passer than trez IMO, and you can hardly judge Zala so harshly, he never plays!
Vision, don't make me laugh
his vision is poor just liek the rest of his all round play.
Lippi had to play 4-2-3-1 in that game. What else could he do? without delpiero we have no creative forward to a front two would not work. Besides the tactics were fine, we created enough chances we just lacked the finish (Trez played crap) and lacked calm in the middle of the park.
If you call my arguments half assed, then you should be looking at your own. You say Juve played well at the start of the season, well you and me obviously have a different idea of what playing well is! We've played well on very rare occasions this year, and Tacchinardi has been outstanding in those matches.
++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
about Trez in that game.
First of all, Trez did all he could do being the lone striker (a position, mind you, that he is not used to)
a world class finisher doesn't have to score from every chance he gets. BTW, not all of the chances he had were sitters. bad luck played a big facter. check out the Milan game to see what Zala could do
about Trez in that game.
First of all, Trez did all he could do being the lone striker (a position, mind you, that he is not used to)
a world class finisher doesn't have to score from every chance he gets. BTW, not all of the chances he had were sitters. bad luck played a big facter. check out the Milan game to see what Zala could do
Positioning, Trez is often miles behind the play when we counter attack, completely ruining the move.
Passing, it is very rare that trez makes an assist, much less a great one. The one V Udinese last year is the one and only example I can think of. Better than Zala yeah right, Zala is a far better passer than trez IMO, and you can hardly judge Zala so harshly, he never plays!
Vision, don't make me laugh
his vision is poor just liek the rest of his all round play.