Julian Draxler - AM LC - Schalke 04 (55 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

If we actually end up with Draxler, how would you justify this purchase in your mind? In terms of the move from the club after selling Vidal, and the actual profile of player given he type Allgeri specified. Simply put, would you agree or disagree with the move?

Our team with Vidal and Tevez, wasent the most creative. But it had balance. It had organisation, defence, playmaking, aggression. With Götze/khedira/dybala you'd get a different type, but also balanced. With draxler it would absolutely miss a player that makes the play in the final third.

Draxler would be superb if we had a playmaking SS or CAM. But we dont have that. And without Pirlo and Tevez, we really really really really need that.

FAR more then another dribbeler.

 

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[PedroFlu]

If you face this as a choice from Marotta (and not an unilateral demand by a player, like one could have this power), it is a bad one.

Pirlo was making the team worse, for sure (Marchisio is much better at his position for 2 years now).

But when you lose 2 huge leaders in Pirlo and Tevez, it's not convenient to lose a 3rd one in only one window. It's too much of a change. Transition needs to go smoothlier.

So selling Vidal, another icon of the team, is basically the wrong choide. Unless you are able to bring a world class AM who is very likely to handle the pressure and give you good things from day one.

Clearly not the case with Draxler, a talented kid coming from 2 very poor seasons and struggling to stay healthy.

 

[KB824]

Our team with Vidal and Tevez, wasent the most creative. But it had balance. It had organisation, defence, playmaking, aggression. With Götze/khedira/dybala you'd get a different type, but also balanced. With draxler it would absolutely miss a player that makes the play in the final third.

Draxler would be superb if we had a playmaking SS or CAM. But we dont have that. And without Pirlo and Tevez, we really really really really need that.

FAR more then another dribbeler.

You don't think that Dybala is a playmaking SS?

 

[Hust]

You're making it sound as if that's a rule. There was no good timing for selling a player like Vidal, especially now. If we wanted money, we could've sold him last Summer. He asked to leave? Then wait and try to fetch as many bids as possible. Vidal attracts a lot of clubs. The Board are hiding behind the "fact" that he wanted to leave, as if they're promoting that brand, but still they could have tried and get more than 37M for him.

Do you agree that Vidal gave his heart and soul defending this club 100% since he came?

 

[Zacheryah]

I'd be more happy with Isco, but he's more unrealistic than Gotze, so go figure.



So we should have been more prepared, no?

I wouldnt mind Isco. Even if i think Oscar suits us better. I offcourse lavish the idea of the ideal Götze.


But i will mind draxler, cause he will solve nothing.


@Red said it best about Pereyra. He's a player who can also play cam. Speed and dribbeling, but he's not a passing playmaker. We need a passer at cam and thats not how he plays. In my opinion, Draxler is like Pererya but significantly more talented and technically gifted.




Draxler would be insane as inside winger in the same team with a playmaking cam

 

[Klin]

Do you agree that Vidal gave his heart and soul defending this club 100% since he came?

What's your point?

 

[Hust]

What's your point?

Answer the question Klin.

I certainly agree he did. Do you?

 

[CalcioJuventus]

Juve will not give him 5 if thats what he is asking. I can't see us giving Draxler more money than we give Pogba, Mandzukic, Khedira .. etc..

That might be a deal breaker

 

[Klin]

Answer the question Klin.

I certainly agree he did. Do you?

Yes.

 

[Zacheryah]

You don't think that Dybala is a playmaking SS?

In a year he'll be. Wich is why i wanted tevez to stay another year.


This juventus has a dire need for a playmaker in the final third. Dybala has yet to learn that play in a team that wants to domminate the play. Draxler isnt that player.

Götze is.


If we'd get draxler, we'd miss tevez ALOT more then vidal. Who was doing all that playmaking this year, even when pirlo/vidal/pogba were sidelined ? Tevez. He was the one player you couldnt swap out. Just put on tevez, cause we had all the playmaking we need.

Oh sure, Mandzukic has that aggression. But if we dont get a player that asks for the ball in the final third, and can keep it or distribute it, we are gonna struggle alot this year.

 

[baggio]

Since when is that a good reason to sell?

Even you're gonna mention that he asked to leave, we handled it pretty badly. It was too quick and hasty, and I don't agree with how the club handles the "we only sell when the players ask to be sold" mentality. It's rather weak IMO.

More defensive than weak. Like we don't want to be blamed for making these moves. Also makes you wonder since when Juve considered 28 to be good enough to sell, when we bought Tevez at 29. Fact is, the club have dropped the ball on this one coz they've undersold and won't know how to spend the money coz they're now in search of a position the big boys normally play at. This move to me defines where Marrotta, Paratici and the club stand vid a vis the European market, and how we actually peg our team to world class players who Marrotta said would want to join us. With money and an incredibly successful season and a Vidal sale, if all we are going to come up with, is Draxler, then Marrotta and Paratici aren't approaching this with a big club mentality.

 

[Hust]

Yes.

Good. We agree. I am fairly certain the club does as well. Do you think (here comes my point) that it might be a possibility that Vidal wanted only Germany as destination?

 

[alexjuventino]

And the first 3 games Draxler takes to adjust you better believe the usual suspects will be in full force to remind us of yet another catastrophic failure of the club

dont u forget the preseason friendlies

 

[Ronn]

Maybe Euromaxx wants to switch formations to allow more wide game? Shape shifting is a major characteristic of his Juve, so I wouldn't be surprised that he change it yet again.

 

[Klin]

More defensive than weak. Like we don't want to be blamed for making these moves. Also makes you wonder since when Juve considered 28 to be good enough to sell, when we bought Tevez at 29. Fact is, the club have dropped the ball on this one coz they've undersold and won't know how to spend the money coz they're now in search of a position the big boys normally play at. This move to me defines where Marrotta, Paratici and the club stand vid a vis the European market, and how we actually peg our team to world class players who Marrotta said would want to join us. With money and an incredibly successful season and a Vidal sale, if all we are going to come up with, is Draxler, then Marrotta and Paratici aren't approaching this with a big club mentality.

Defensive, yes.

Good. We agree. I am fairly certain the club does as well. Do you think (here comes my point) that it might be a possibility that Vidal wanted only Germany as destination?

I doubt that, but it's not like Vidal wasn't contracted with us for another 2 years. And besides, it's also Marotta'a job to make sure we get the best possible deal for Arturo, and I fail to believe that 37M is.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

She might dump him once she knows he is moving to Turin.

Any real German would, as we have been informed before.

 

[baggio]

Here is how I will justify it if anyone cares:

1.) young guy, if he turns out well can be a long standing player for Juve. If he does great, sell abroad for mega money.
2.) we have a habit of bringing out the potential in players young and/or old, why can't we with him?
3.) Vidal: 40m for a guy asking to leave with 2 years on his contract and 28 vs a guy that could finalize the formation Allegri is asking for.
4.) Seems like Draxler can play equally well in that AM (LRC) roles so opens up the possibilities of other formations
5.) Making more than 40m from Vidal wasn't going to happen for reasons stated above but if we get Draxler for 25-30m we could technically still sell him for 20-25 and make up most of what we paid IF he doesn't work out.


I really don't get why people are opposed to taking risks when more times than not our club directors have made the right choices. Or would everyone rather we simply use Pereyra?

Fair enough. Now I want you to read your argument keeping two things in mind

A) We have lost our most influential player in Tevez and an equally big personality in Pirlo, which you can argue is more for his dressing room presence.

B) We just had our most successful season in more than a decade.

To me, it sounds apologetic. Juve are a bigger club than you're justifying them to be with what I'm reading above. It sadly sounds like something I'd read on an Athletico or Dortmund forum. We are past that point in our evolution since Conte and the club turned the page for us.

Our team with Vidal and Tevez, wasent the most creative. But it had balance. It had organisation, defence, playmaking, aggression. With Götze/khedira/dybala you'd get a different type, but also balanced. With draxler it would absolutely miss a player that makes the play in the final third.

Draxler would be superb if we had a playmaking SS or CAM. But we dont have that. And without Pirlo and Tevez, we really really really really need that.

FAR more then another dribbeler.

That doesn't answer the question Zach. How would you rate the move and would you agree with it under the circumstances including the Vidal sale?

Juve will not give him 5 if thats what he is asking. I can't see us giving Draxler more money than we give Pogba, Mandzukic, Khedira .. etc..

That might be a deal breaker

 

[Zacheryah]

Defensive, yes.



I doubt that, but it's not like Vidal wasn't contracted with us for another 2 years. And besides, it's also Marotta'a job to make sure we get the best possible deal for Arturo, and I fail to believe that 37M is.

It would if its all up front, so we'd have the funds to sign an expensive trequartista, wich we cant if its the regular installment deal.
And it also would, if it meant we could have gotze at a cut price deal, wich seems to be the case (from bayern pov).

 

[Klin]

It would if its all up front, so we'd have the funds to sign an expensive trequartista, wich we cant if its the regular installment deal.
And it also would, if it meant we could have gotze at a cut price deal, wich seems to be the case (from bayern pov).

Stop saying that.

 

[Zacheryah]

Fair enough. Now I want you to read your argument keeping two things in mind

A) We have lost our most influential player in Tevez and an equally big personality in Pirlo, which you can argue is more for his dressing room presence.

B) We just had our most successful season in more than a decade.

To me, it sounds apologetic. Juve are a bigger club than you're justifying them to be with what I'm reading above. It sadly sounds like something I'd read on an Athletico or Dortmund forum. We are past that point in our evolution since Conte and the club turned the page for us.





That doesn't answer the question Zach. How would you rate the move and would you agree with it under the circumstances including the Vidal sale?

If Vidal didnt ask for the sale, and we sell him and get Draxler, i'd find it a stupid deal.