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current euro champs!!! 
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Yeah, see you in WC 2006!!!
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I think Rapid Vienna won the hot dog concessions for the 1973 Champions League ... which we lost to Ajax. 
It's not that Italy is against Islam. The law, among other things, says that it is forbidden to completely hide your face. The burqa example has only been put there by the journalist (probably to catch the attention of the reader).
It's true, it's forbidden to wear a burqa, as it'd be forbidden for me to go around with a bag on my head. It's just a matter of identifying people.
It's not the first time that we have anti-terrorism laws here. In the 70s (a very tough time for Italy, the so called "anni di piombo") a law was approved that forbid people to agglomerate in the streets, allowed the police to shoot and kill if it was the case almost with impunity. It was the first law (n. 152 del 22/5/1975, called "Legge Reale") that forbid people to hide completely their face in public places (art. 5). At the time, we were in 1975, there was no islam involved.
Where does it tell muslims what to do? The law is applied on every human being (christian, muslim, atheist, black, white, green) on the Italian territory.
Btw it wasn't the Italian governement that wanted only christian immigrants, but a certain Ruini, a bishop. His opinion is his and his alone, not anybody's else.
Edit. Forgot to add: I have nothing against Islam or any other religion. I'm not so religious myself. It might save me trouble :wink:
It's true, it's forbidden to wear a burqa, as it'd be forbidden for me to go around with a bag on my head. It's just a matter of identifying people.
It's not the first time that we have anti-terrorism laws here. In the 70s (a very tough time for Italy, the so called "anni di piombo") a law was approved that forbid people to agglomerate in the streets, allowed the police to shoot and kill if it was the case almost with impunity. It was the first law (n. 152 del 22/5/1975, called "Legge Reale") that forbid people to hide completely their face in public places (art. 5). At the time, we were in 1975, there was no islam involved.
Where does it tell muslims what to do? The law is applied on every human being (christian, muslim, atheist, black, white, green) on the Italian territory.
Btw it wasn't the Italian governement that wanted only christian immigrants, but a certain Ruini, a bishop. His opinion is his and his alone, not anybody's else.
Edit. Forgot to add: I have nothing against Islam or any other religion. I'm not so religious myself. It might save me trouble :wink:
nice post isha00.. I totally agree on what you said..
and I might add this:
1. Italy, or any other country, has the right to make rules for its security and protection against whatever threats it.. in this case, terrorism.. unfortunately, whenever the name terrorist comes up, it automatically gets related to Islam.. which is considered by many, a religion that nests terrorist groups.. I won't hide this, but, there are many other extremists of other religions that practice the act of terror.. regardless of their purpose.. jewish, christians, muslims and hindus are the most popular religions in the world and they all have some terrorist groups spawned out of them, it's just the media that focused more on the islamic groups.. Islam is not a religion of terror.. and so the other religions.. it's just the people who practice it wrong, bring bad reputation for it.. and this is the case for almost everything else..
2. Burga or whatever is not a mandatory for muslim women.. It's not forbidden for muslim women to show their faces.. not at all.. Islam only forbids the woman to show the seductive part of her body (legs, belly, hair..etc) on public.. I think it's more a traditional thing for some muslim countries that the woman hide all her body and face in public..
3. Fair government --> fair system --> satisfied people --> peace..
I think all the problems in the world now, regarding national security, are caused by the systems or the way the politicians run their countries.. no offence to anybody.. many countries get involved in other countries' business.. (with the agreement of it's government sometimes, and sometimes, because of the weakness of the governemt itself, it is compelled to agree) and then, some people don't agree on what their government has done, so they gother some rebels and supporters and start an outlaw group to fight the world.. and so forth.. you know the rest.. (stupid really..)
in my very humble opinion, the best way to acheive global peace is to create one global government that has the full power and control over all the countries in the world.. no veto's or other crap.. all matters of dispute between countries should be resolved through this body..
BUT, sarcastically, this won't happen.. because, humans are prone of corruption.. whoever will gain control over this global government, will be seduced by rich countries or individuals to favor them.. which will provoke the hopeless ones and drives them to do crazy things just to show the world how much they disagree on whatever it is agreed upon..!! and the story repeats itself again..!!!
there are many other ways for global peace, like applying whatever Plato said in his book "the Republic".. but, I won't go through that now.. enough BS from me for now..
and I might add this:
1. Italy, or any other country, has the right to make rules for its security and protection against whatever threats it.. in this case, terrorism.. unfortunately, whenever the name terrorist comes up, it automatically gets related to Islam.. which is considered by many, a religion that nests terrorist groups.. I won't hide this, but, there are many other extremists of other religions that practice the act of terror.. regardless of their purpose.. jewish, christians, muslims and hindus are the most popular religions in the world and they all have some terrorist groups spawned out of them, it's just the media that focused more on the islamic groups.. Islam is not a religion of terror.. and so the other religions.. it's just the people who practice it wrong, bring bad reputation for it.. and this is the case for almost everything else..
2. Burga or whatever is not a mandatory for muslim women.. It's not forbidden for muslim women to show their faces.. not at all.. Islam only forbids the woman to show the seductive part of her body (legs, belly, hair..etc) on public.. I think it's more a traditional thing for some muslim countries that the woman hide all her body and face in public..
3. Fair government --> fair system --> satisfied people --> peace..
I think all the problems in the world now, regarding national security, are caused by the systems or the way the politicians run their countries.. no offence to anybody.. many countries get involved in other countries' business.. (with the agreement of it's government sometimes, and sometimes, because of the weakness of the governemt itself, it is compelled to agree) and then, some people don't agree on what their government has done, so they gother some rebels and supporters and start an outlaw group to fight the world.. and so forth.. you know the rest.. (stupid really..)
in my very humble opinion, the best way to acheive global peace is to create one global government that has the full power and control over all the countries in the world.. no veto's or other crap.. all matters of dispute between countries should be resolved through this body..
BUT, sarcastically, this won't happen.. because, humans are prone of corruption.. whoever will gain control over this global government, will be seduced by rich countries or individuals to favor them.. which will provoke the hopeless ones and drives them to do crazy things just to show the world how much they disagree on whatever it is agreed upon..!! and the story repeats itself again..!!!
there are many other ways for global peace, like applying whatever Plato said in his book "the Republic".. but, I won't go through that now.. enough BS from me for now..
gandalf is right, its not islam its wrong with, its those people that understand the religion wrong. if you look what Prophet Mohammad said and did, you will not find anything that has with terrorism to do. islam is for peace and harmony, there are rules for how muslims fight a war. a muslim in war is not allowed to kill innocent people like kids, women, old people and munks to, beacasue monks are peacefull. those who deal with this bombings that kills innocent people have mixed politics and feelings with religion. but we must also understand that people living in those poor areas are having it easy, seeing family members get killed in front of them, and there is no one to tell them how to deal with these problems. they get angry and want to hit back and they do it in islams name without having knowledge about what islam realy says about this.
Tony spot on. However, the government itself does not do much to help people. I was born in Koweit as an expat and lived there for a while. I saw the government doing just the bare minimum to help foreigners while citizens were treated like princes. Foreigners add up to 70% of the population there but severe restrictions are placed on them. Even when the law permits certain things, the police and the "CID" use threats, violence and intimidation.
As I see it, Islam is a moral guide to these governments, isnt it? So why do foreigners face such oppression all around the middle east? (Maybe except Dubai, Bahrain, and a few other places)
As I see it, Islam is a moral guide to these governments, isnt it? So why do foreigners face such oppression all around the middle east? (Maybe except Dubai, Bahrain, and a few other places)
isha00 said:
Thanks Yours is good too 
Yours is good too
agree.. thank you..
valid point Layce Erayce.. but, unfortunately, governments in the middle east are far away from Islam despite what most people think.. even the countries that was looked at as pure islamic countries like Iran, former Afghanistani regime "Taliban", KSA..etc all these governments (no offence) are as dirty as any other government in the world..!! they are no saints..
so yes, sometimes they do opress foreigners and look at them like they are the devils.. but, to be fair.. arabs are treated the same way in western countries too.. even worse..!! so, let's call it even.. furthermore, Islam, sadly, is no moral guide for anyone anymore.. except for very few people (some teachers, lecturers, fathers..) who use this guide for their daily routine dealings which won't affect anybody.. "politically" speaking..