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    In Hebron city, a demonstration was there calling for boycotting Israeli goods and to open the main street, Shuhada, for Palestinians...











     
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    A gas canister exploded tonight in one of the tunnels between Gaza and Egypt. The result is 6 Palestinians killed & 14 injured.





     
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    And finally Photos near the separation wall in Bethlehem city:



    and in Aida Camp near Bethlehem:

     
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    Why is Israel afraid of a few boats?

    Hundreds of activists are on their way to the blockaded Gaza strip via a "flotilla" of boats carrying humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, which are badly lacking in the impoverished Palestinian territory.

    Israel has promised to intercept the good-willed boats and arrest and deport the activists. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs has exerted great effort in the past few days to convince onlookers to this confrontation on the high seas that the activists carrying humanitarian goods are terrorist sympathizers, and that everything is just fine and dandy in the Gaza Strip. The ministry has portrayed Israel (the country enforcing the blockade of Gaza's ports) as a benevolent victim, who despite the threat from Gaza's Hamas government is still caring for the civilian population.

    There comes a point when an oppressive regime's propaganda crosses a threshold from mere lies to utter lunacy so extreme, in fact, that objective onlookers find it almost comical. This point came yesterday when the Government Press Office disseminated a link to a Gaza restaurant which appears to be luxurious. So what Israel is essentially saying is: "There you have it. There is a website for a restaurant with cloth napkins in Gaza. How can there be any problems?"

    The reality is, of course, that the situation in Gaza is very dire. A slew of reports from human rights organizations attest to the hardships faced by most Palestinians in Gaza. In the densely populated strip where 80 percent of the population are refugees, a similar percentage relies on international aid organizations for daily sustenance. That number was only ten percent a decade ago. That's how bad things have become. Malnutrition in children has reached ten percent and critical medicines are not available, according to the World Health Organization.

    But no one is starving to death in Gaza–at least not suddenly. A tunnel industry has evolved and become the main supplier for most goods. That's all part of the plan. Israel seeks to squeeze the strip to the point of near catastrophe, bad enough to make people suffer, but just short of having to take responsibility for it. It's a form of torture kind of like water-boarding under the Bush administration: the objective is to bring the subject to the edge and break his will, but not kill him (lest they be charged with murder). But just because Gaza's civilian population has managed to keep its collective head above water doesn't mean things should be this way.

    Like life in most prisons, if you "know a guy," anything is available for a price. Generators, for example, are in high demand because of the shortages of electricity. The shortages are due to the destruction of Gaza's only power plant in 2006 by Israeli jets. Since then, Israel has never permitted the full reconstruction of the power plant, forcing perpetual dependence of Gaza on Israel and Egypt, who take an eye-dropper approach to supplying Gaza with electricity. But even though generators smuggled through Gaza's tunnels provide some light, there is also a dark and often unheard downside that comes with them: explosions and fires. Several reports in the past few years of civilians being killed or maimed from overworked and exploding generators have become common. These are just some of the siege-related causalities we do not hear about.

    The 10,000 tons of supplies aboard the Gaza aid ships are a drop in the bucket for what Gaza really needs. Israel's spokesmen have pointed out that they have permitted the entry of supplies in the past and argued that the aid boats are unnecessary. The reality is that aid which Israel does permit into Gaza is purchased by Palestinians, vetted and often rejected or held up for months. Israel has calculated the precise minimum necessary caloric intake for Palestinians in Gaza, and has often rejected things like pasta, lentils and coffee. So it's easy to understand why international humanitarian organizations and the activists aboard the aid boats are not about to trust the welfare of Gaza's civilians to Israel's benevolence.

    The aid boats will have a far greater impact, however, than the 10,000 tons of aid they are bringing to Gaza. The aid boats compel us to have this discussion, a discussion that Israel desperately wants to avoid at a time when its international reputation has never been lower.

    Hundreds of unarmed civilians carrying humanitarian aid are approaching a blockaded piece of land where 1.5 million civilians suffer from a life of uncertainty and despair, and Israel is going to stop them. While much of the focus on the Israeli-Palestinian issue has been on the settlements, the failed peace process and the long-awaited restart of talks about talks, Gaza has been forgotten. To their credit, the few hundred non-violent activists-turned-sailors have found a way to maximize their power as individuals to force one of the world's most powerful regimes into a corner. Whether the boats make it to Gaza or not, this is a tremendous victory for civil society in international affairs.

    Headlines and stories covering this confrontation at sea will shift the focus back to Gaza, even if only for a few hours. For Israel, Gaza is the tortured and famished step-child it locks in the basement when visitors arrive, and the activists on these boats seek to expose what Israel is doing in the strip: imposing a draconian siege to collectively punish civilians for political aims.

    http://palestinethinktank.com/2010/05/27/yousef-munayyer-why-is-israel-afraid-of-a-few-boats/
     
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    On being an Arab lawmaker in Israel

    Reporting from Jerusalem — As one of Israel's few Arab lawmakers, Ahmad Tibi knows how to fight to be heard, even when colleagues don't want to listen.

    That determination was never clearer than last month when Tibi, a top political advisor to PLO chairman Yasser Arafat before being elected to the Knesset in 1999, refused to yield the floor during a particularly acrimonious debate. Escorts were summoned to pry his white-knuckled hands off the lectern and lead the 51-year-old away.

    Tibi, a former gynecologist, hasn't lost his sense of humor. On his office walls is a newspaper cartoon of him bound and gagged on the Knesset floor. On a top shelf is a row of fat binders, including one titled "Dead Ends."

    He spoke with the Los Angeles Times about why he thinks democracy in Israel applies only to Jewish citizens, why he'll never accept Israel as a Jewish state and why he'll never leave.

    You've been saying recently that racism in Israel has gone mainstream, moving from the fringes of society into the halls of government, even accusing Israel's foreign minister and interior minister of being racists. Those are pretty sweeping statements.

    Look at what [Israeli Foreign Minister] Avigdor Lieberman and his party are saying and doing. Their motions and proposed laws are pure racism. The so-called loyalty motion demands that we be loyal to Zionism and to Israel as a Jewish state or we won't be allowed to be a candidate for the Knesset or receive our budget allocation from the state. They say Arabs should be transported to the Palestinian Authority....

    This is a fascist campaign. Lieberman is the equivalent of Jean-Marie Le Pen from France and [the late] Joerg Heider from Austria. But there is one difference. They are all are racists. All conduct a policy of hatred. But Heider was an indigenous politician who was racist against foreigners. Here we are talking about an immigrant politician [Lieberman was born in Moldova] who is racist against the indigenous [Palestinian] people....

    In what way don't Jewish and Arab citizens have equal rights?

    There is discrimination in every field of life except one. There is one man, one vote. In elections, all are equal. But in budget allocation, industry, education, land, religious places, employment there are huge gaps between the Jewish majority and the Arab minority. Just visit a couple of towns. You'll see Jewish cities are very civilized. Arab towns are being strangulated. There has not been one new Arab town in Israel since 1948, but there have been hundreds of [Jewish] settlements.

    The state land authority [in many cases has been] allowed to hire or purchase land only for Jews. Non-Jews are not allowed. And we are talking about land that was ours in the past and confiscated. In the early 1950s, we owned 80% of the private land. Now we own 3% of the private land.

    We are 20% of the population, but only 6% of the employees in the public sector. This is a built-in discriminatory policy. There is not one Arab official employed in a high-ranking [departmental] post, no legal advisor, no director-general.

    If elections are fair and you have one-fifth of the population, isn't it partly your own fault that Arabs haven't been able to gain more political clout? You only have about 10% of the Knesset seats. Arab political parties are small and divided. Other, much smaller minority groups in Israel have done a much better job at organizing and exerting influence.

    We [Palestinians] are not the same. There are differences in parties and ideologies. There is an idea to bring all parties together on one list. I support that idea. But we didn't succeed. It's our fault.

    Secondly, half of our voters don't participate in the [national] election. There are a lot of reasons, but mainly frustration with the system. We should do more to improve and increase the percent of Arabs taking part....

    What have you been able to deliver for Arab constituents in terms of tangible benefits or protections? As an Arab MK, can you even get a bill passed?

    During the last Knesset, I passed four [laws]. Before that, I passed another four or five. But it's very difficult for an Arab MK to pass even one motion. Mine were all universal laws that were good for both Jews and Arabs, about medical issues, environment, anti-corruption. But if I brought a law on the issue of land allocation or cessation of discrimination, it would immediately be brought down.

    I tried it three months ago with a motion that said simply the allocation of land by the state should be equal for all citizens. I didn't mention "Jewish" or "Arab" citizens. Automatically the vast majority of the Knesset voted against me. Any motion with the principle or word "equality" will fail. There is not one basic law in the Knesset talking about the value of equal rights. Every Knesset I try to pass it.

    As an opposition figure, do you see part of your role to provoke, to criticize, to prod?

    To enlighten. To concentrate focus on issues. I'm not that easy to ignore. If [my critics] ever succeed in ignoring me, that's the day I will no longer stay in the Knesset.

    A recent poll found half of Israeli kids don't think Arabs should serve in the Knesset. What does that say to you?

    There is a continuous delegitimization campaign against us. We are described as betrayers. But I can't betray something I'm not part of. I'm not part of the army. I'm not part of the Zionist ideology. I'm a victim of Zionism.... It's inhumane to demand that we be loyal to Zionism or accept Israel as a Jewish state. I can't accept a definition that strengthens the discrimination against non-Jews in Israel.

    You don't accept Israel as a Jewish state?

    I want it to be a state of its own nationalities, and the Arab minority to be recognized as a national minority. Israel is, according to the law, defined as a Jewish and democratic state. But there is a contradiction between the two values. If you are democratic, you should believe in equality. But if you define the nation by a Jewish ethnicity, you are saying any Jewish person is superior to a non-Jewish person.

    How you do define yourself?

    I'm a Palestinian-Arab citizen of Israel. We are part of the Palestinian people but citizens of Israel.

    You gave an impassioned speech in January, acknowledging the Jewish suffering in the Holocaust. It was praised by some as one of the best ever delivered in the Knesset. Were you surprised by the reaction? Did it have any lasting impact on relations?

    There was overwhelming positive reaction, most importantly, from Jews and Arabs alike. I said, we as Arabs are listening to your historical suffering and pain. I have empathy. You were victims. Now we [Palestinians] are victims of the victims. I wanted them to try to understand our agony and suffering. Those who have suffered so much in the past should be the first to listen to the pain of a Palestinian woman in Gaza. Yet they are not.

    Why not?

    They are encapsulated by their pain and history. Even when Israelis send a tank to [the West Bank city of] Nablus, they promote the idea that it's Palestinian aggression. So even when we are the victims, they market themselves as the victim. They occupy this square of victimhood everywhere.

    Arab MKs would seem to be a natural bridge in Israeli-Palestinians peace talks. But you're rarely at the forefront of that. Why not?

    [Israel] doesn't want this bridge. They view us as a fifth column. The Arab minority is being dealt with as an enemy. They treat us like guests in our own country.

    If an independent Palestinian state is formed, where would you choose to live?

    I'm a native of Tayibe, and that's part of the state of Israel. I take my citizenship seriously. I want to improve my citizenship in order to be equal. I don't want to be removed or treated like a chess piece. I don't want anyone deported from Israel. But if someone has to leave, it should the ones who arrived last.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/23/world/la-fg-palestinian-qa-20100523
     
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    BREAKING NEWS: Unmanned Israeli Drones are now flying over the Flotilla. Two Israeli WAR Ships are 78 miles away and are fast approaching towards Flotilla. Everyone was asked to put on their lifejacket
     

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    They wont let it pass, it was to be expected. Im just glad those ships took off just to make those zionists show their real faces to the whole world as a bunch of criminals cutting off basic humanitarian aids on 1.5m Palestinians for nothing but getting them group murder as an intent.
     
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    It seems so dangerous on the ships as Israeli ships and helicopters try to scare them according to those speaking from one of the ship.
     
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    The Israeli Navy Sunday night surprised the flotilla bound for Hamas-controlled Gaza, and the activists reported that three Israeli ships are on the flotilla’s radar screens. Passengers have donned life vests.

    One of the crew said that one “Navy warship” contacted the six boats in the flotilla and asked them to identify themselves

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/187172
     
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    Tens of thousands are surrounding the Israeli consulate in Istanbul calling for allowing the ships to go to Gaza.
     
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    Audrey Bomse, spokeswoman of the Free Gaza organization: "The flotilla plans to halt international waters, in order to arrive off the Gaza coast Monday morning. We don't want to arrive in the dark. We are counting on getting to Gaza ... We are not stopping and will not stop if ordered to. We will not physically resist, but they will have to ram us".

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