Israeli-Palestinian conflict (21 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
He was just making a point, trying to ward off this strange double talk by a few individuals.

They say they don't defend Israel, yet all they do is post pictures of Hamas with children and talk about the holocaust. Of course Andries will claim he doesn't defend Israel, but the majority of his posts consist of defending the UN, claiming they're so wonderful and powerful, yet they never do anything to help the situation. I personally believe Andries is a conformist in this situation, based on his distaste for a certain religion, and for certain members who believe in that religion. We have seen countless times what happens when Islam and Andries come together for a cup of tea.

That's not an attack on you, Andries, but just the fact of the matter. You know I what I think about religion.
Not to sound like his lawyer, but what you are saying is not true. He attacked Christians/Christianity too, but the difference is we don't have hardcore Christians here to give a shit about what he says, that's why he looks like he is anti-Islam. He is anti-religion, just like you and me Andy, no need to use this.

People just relax ffs, why all these insults flying in the air? Can we all grow up and stop calling childish names? Alen, think about Fred again, he came in with a single stupid reaction, if there should be a ban, he shouldn't be the one to start with. Unban him, or at least change it to warning.. Straight ban is way too harsh..
 

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Hambon

Lion of the Desert
Apr 22, 2005
8,073
People just relax ffs, why all these insults flying in the air? Can we all grow up and stop calling childish names? Alen, think about Fred again, he came in with a single stupid reaction, if there should be a ban, he shouldn't be the one to start with. Unban him, or at least change it to warning.. Straight ban is way too harsh..
Snoop use a good man...
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,546
No, i will not unban him. He got a 7 day ban and he'll serve it. I don't care who was the one who wished death to other member's parents. I will ban everyone here who'll say such a thing and if it was a mod i'd have immediately asked for his resignation.
since its kind of an unprecedented case could we settle it now and make it a bannable offense from now on; i dont think his wish was malicious but more reflective as in putting them in the shoes of those who lost their rents.
Alen please listen to Senor :scarf: I think that noone took Fred seriously and understood that like an offense. He just said it wrong way I'm sure!!
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,870
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  • Thread Starter #3,746
    Damn, I did Cronios kinda post but Interner connection is screwing me up so I'll try to put it short.

    I know what siege is, I've been under one and it's a horrible thing for anyone.

    The other thing I really didn't knew about siege thing in Gaza, I really don't follow up the news cuz I'm fed up with all those political games between "big ones" (I mean on US, Russia, EU etc. cuz they all act like they care, while they don't give a fuck) and cuz I don't follow up situation closely I didn't want to take a part into this thread.

    Third thing what I tried to do is just make an observation cuz I hear on few occasions that Hamas is rejecting the truce. The thing that really bothers me is when they are giving statements like that while innocent people are getting killed and the worst part is that people who doesn't want the truce are ones who are comfortably sitting in their chairs and all watching on TV. Afcourse they don't want the truce, why? cuz they don't feel bombs that are falling all over Gaza.

    Hamas also should have known what they will couse if they start fight with Israel again, I know it's wrong but it's better than make your people suffer even more. And now best that Hamas can get is temporary truce and some food and aid which means that they will be at the beginning. I have nothing against or for Israel or Palestina, but the fact is that as long as Israel is getting support from US they can do whatever they want and come unpunished. Also Palestinians can't do nothing about it (I know it's sad), except fight and suffer even more.

    The worst thing for me is that I don't see changing of situation anytime soon, the best we could see is temporary truce and that's it as long as the big ones have their interest in this war. Also one thing that I'm sure is that ordinary people from Gaza and Israel doesn't want this war at all, but the leaders want cuz it's easiest way to be more powerful and rich. (Just look at ex-YU politicians).
    Look, mate...

    I was never a fan of Hamas, but I can't do anything these days but cheering for them for what they did.

    When they started launching missiles after the truce ended, they were prepared to struggle as fighters to protect Gaza from the Israeli invasion, and that really succeeded mostly knowing that Israelis couldn't enter cities in Gaza because of the huge resistance they saw there. There was an exception in Tal Al-Hawa region, but that was because Israel burnt the hospital there and resistants could do nothing but retreating to enable ambulances to come and save anybody that could be saved.

    Hamas did not make any errors this time. Israelis could not make any progress on land so they made their revenge by bombing civilians and police centers inside cities by planes. That was not Hamas' fault as Hamas can not fight planes.

    And by the way, Hamas leaders were not sitting on big chair as you say. Two of the biggest 5 Hamas leaders were killed during this attack on Gaza: Nezar Rayyan and Said Syam. The other three leaders are hiding somewhere in Gaza between the normal people and did not leave Gaza at all. Israel by the way still threatens to kill them.

    And by the way, siege was not lifted until now, and that is an indication that Hamas can't make another truce because of the big pressure inside Gaza. people are fed up with being without fuel, electricity, clean water, ......

    They can't just shut up and live under such conditions for ever. They are humans and they deserve a better life where the kid can go to a normal school instead of a tent to take his lessons.
     

    Oggy

    and the Cockroaches
    Dec 27, 2005
    7,546
    Not to sound like his lawyer, but what you are saying is not true. He attacked Christians/Christianity too, but the difference is we don't have hardcore Christians here to give a shit about what he says, that's why he looks like he is anti-Islam. He is anti-religion, just like you and me Andy, no need to use this.

    People just relax ffs, why all these insults flying in the air? Can we all grow up and stop calling childish names? Alen, think about Fred again, he came in with a single stupid reaction, if there should be a ban, he shouldn't be the one to start with. Unban him, or at least change it to warning.. Straight ban is way too harsh..
    :tup:

    There is too much attention throwed on theese kind of issues it's either Holocaust or Gaza or Religion. Some member have to much spare time and are starting arguments just for sake of it...
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    54,131
    since its kind of an unprecedented case could we settle it now and make it a bannable offense from now on; i dont think his wish was malicious but more reflective as in putting them in the shoes of those who lost their rents.
    The moment i read that post i went to ban the poster. I chose a 3 week ban and then i said to myself, "No, it's Fred, i'll give him a 7 day ban".

    Dislike them as much as You want, but it's not fair to Besmir and Andries if i unban him. If they forgive him and if they want him unbanned, only then i will unban him.
    He will still owe them an apology though.

    And this 5-6 lines took me 15 minutes to write them.
     

    Oggy

    and the Cockroaches
    Dec 27, 2005
    7,546
    Look, mate...

    I was never a fan of Hamas, but I can't do anything these days but cheering for them for what they did.

    When they started launching missiles after the truce ended, they were prepared to struggle as fighters to protect Gaza from the Israeli invasion, and that really succeeded mostly knowing that Israelis couldn't enter cities in Gaza because of the huge resistance they saw there. There was an exception in Tal Al-Hawa region, but that was because Israel burnt the hospital there and resistants could do nothing but retreating to enable ambulances to come and save anybody that could be saved.

    Hamas did not make any errors this time. Israelis could not make any progress on land so they made their revenge by bombing civilians and police centers inside cities by planes. That was not Hamas' fault as Hamas can not fight planes.

    And by the way, Hamas leaders were not sitting on big chair as you say. Two of the biggest 5 Hamas leaders were killed during this attack on Gaza: Nezar Rayyan and Said Syam. The other three leaders are hiding somewhere in Gaza between the normal people and did not leave Gaza at all. Israel by the way still threatens to kill them.

    And by the way, siege was not lifted until now, and that is an indication that Hamas can't make another truce because of the big pressure inside Gaza. people are fed up with being without fuel, electricity, clean water, ......

    They can't just shut up and live under such conditions for ever. They are humans and they deserve a better life where the kid can go to a normal school instead of a tent to take his lessons.
    If you say so about Hamas leaders and I heve nothing than to agree. I'm not fan of wars (but than who is) and I don't believe in them, I consider them as a way of manipulation with people, telling them that they fight for greater good while the real deal is about money and power.

    You took me maybe too literal about Palestinans taking all the torture and doing nothing. I know that something will be done, but in reality nothing much only without granades and killing. They will get electricity, water, fuel atc. but that's all. They won't have a freedom to leave Gaza cuz than there would be problem for other countries too with refugees. I really know that Palestinians humans like we all are, but many don't care about it. If they care than we would be heaven, history learned us on many occasions. If we want Palestinians to be treated like normal peaople with their needs we need some really big changes (which I don't see anytime soon) and that was probably my main point.
     

    Snoop

    Sabet is a nasty virgin
    Oct 2, 2001
    28,186
    The moment i read that post i went to ban the poster. I chose a 3 week ban and then i said to myself, "No, it's Fred, i'll give him a 7 day ban".

    Dislike them as much as You want, but it's not fair to Besmir and Andries if i unban him. If they forgive him and if they want him unbanned, only then i will unban him.
    He will still owe them an apology though.

    And this 5-6 lines took me 15 minutes to write them.
    Re-read that post again, he replied to "no one cares about Palestinians" posts, he tried to say. "What would you do if your parents died by an Israeli missile, and someone told you "no one cares" ".

    Alen you are overreacting here. Fred didn't exactly wish death to their parents.
     

    Sadomin

    Senior Member
    Apr 5, 2005
    7,338
    Snoop summed it up with this post which of course, was ignored:

    you sure it's us who don't understand or you guys? I know very well Muslims stick together all the time, no matter what. I know very well you guys take sides and don't look objectively, so maybe us should not bother.

    1- Israeli government and the current and past leaders are criminals, they need to be punished, they don't care about the civilians when they fight there enemies, Hamas!

    2- Hamas are terrorists organization, they don't fight the enemy, but they kill innocent Israeli citizens, with bombs and throwing missiles randomly.

    3- Palestinians are victims, and deserve a land.

    4- Israeli citizens are not the ones to be blamed for their government's actions, well at least not all of them, if you think otherwise then you are generalizing, and if you think all Israeli citizens who are dying by those missiles and the bombs that they deserve it, then you are supporting terrorism.


    It is this simple..
    And be completely honest now. If the situation was the complete opposite with a Palestine being the stronger of the two, do you reckon they would have treated Israel any better? I dare say not a chance in hell.

    This is why comparing Zionism to Nazism is ridiculous, because if the case was the exact opposite, we'd have Israeli counterparts of Rebel comparing Hamas to Nazis instead. Which of course would be considered absurd by our Arab posters.
     

    Oggy

    and the Cockroaches
    Dec 27, 2005
    7,546
    Which members are those?
    I will not throw names, those members will find themselves in those words.

    The thing is I don't have a problem with that, since this is forum and anyone can discuss everything he wants but in recent time theese kind of discussions are affecting whole forums which I'm not fond of.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,870
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    If you say so about Hamas leaders and I heve nothing than to agree. I'm not fan of wars (but than who is) and I don't believe in them, I consider them as a way of manipulation with people, telling them that they fight for greater good while the real deal is about money and power.

    You took me maybe too literal about Palestinans taking all the torture and doing nothing. I know that something will be done, but in reality nothing much only without granades and killing. They will get electricity, water, fuel atc. but that's all. They won't have a freedom to leave Gaza cuz than there would be problem for other countries too with refugees. I really know that Palestinians humans like we all are, but many don't care about it. If they care than we would be heaven, history learned us on many occasions. If we want Palestinians to be treated like normal peaople with their needs we need some really big changes (which I don't see anytime soon) and that was probably my main point.
    Fair enough.
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    54,131
    Re-read that post again, he replied to "no one cares about Palestinians" posts, he tried to say. "What would you do if your parents died by an Israeli missile, and someone told you "no one cares" ".

    Alen you are overreacting here. Fred didn't exactly wish death to their parents.
    He misunderstood Bes. Bes said that the world, slowly but surely, stops paying much attention to what's happening in Palestine. He said that it lasts for so long that now people don't even care about that.
    Fred thought that Besmir said how he doesn't care anymore and he replied with "I hope your parents die from an Israeli rocket" and then you'll see how painful it will be when someone will tell you "I don't care".

    "I hope your parents die"

    I already said everything i had to say regarding this issue with Fred.
     

    Martin

    Senior Member
    Dec 31, 2000
    56,913
    Snoop's post is irrelevant as he claims Hamas is a terrorist organization, which means all sorts of other governments are terrorist organizations.
    It depends on your perspective. If you're the kind of person who thinks regular war is a-okay, but terrorism is the greatest evil then it would really matter if someone is a terrorist or not. On the other hand, if you think armed conflict is unacceptable to begin with, frankly it's trivia.
     

    Sadomin

    Senior Member
    Apr 5, 2005
    7,338
    Snoop's post is irrelevant as he claims Hamas is a terrorist organization, which means all sorts of other governments are terrorist organizations.
    How does the saying go? One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

    Targeting civilians with missiles, especially when done by democratic governments whether they're Palestinian or Israeli, is a savage and indefensible act.
     

    Snoop

    Sabet is a nasty virgin
    Oct 2, 2001
    28,186
    He misunderstood Bes. Bes said that the world, slowly but surely, stops paying much attention to what's happening in Palestine. He said that it lasts for so long that now people don't even care about that.
    Fred thought that Besmir said how he doesn't care anymore and he replied with "I hope your parents die from an Israeli rocket" and then you'll see how painful it will be when someone will tell you "I don't care".

    "I hope your parents die"

    I already said everything i had to say regarding this issue with Fred.
    Yes! That is the problem, Fred totally misunderstood it, I know what Bes said. Like you said Fred got it totally wrong, and I understand his frustration even if I find it ugly (the example he gave). What I am saying, Fred isn't to be blamed of this insulting festive, don't be a dictator Alen, no need to over react, one stupid reaction that's all, he shouldn't be kept away for that, he is no trouble maker..
     

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