There is no "settlers" unit or a "right wing" one, everyone serves together from every layer of society. Could there be an extremist or a genocidal person in a unit? sure , I actually said there are in that same post, but in the framing of a military the individual is insignificant, as said there can be incident, never a policy. Also being right wing or even a settler doesn't make you automatically a murderer or willing to kill uninvolved civilians, this is a completely perverse assumption, even within those groups those type of people are a minority, just as on the other side.
And as I said individuals can and have/will kill civilians unfortunately but it is never by an order. It cannot happen and it's is what we call a "black order" and a soldier is obliged to refuse it.
And as I said individuals can and have/will kill civilians unfortunately but it is never by an order. It cannot happen and it's is what we call a "black order" and a soldier is obliged to refuse it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...nded-palestinian-jeep-during-raid-2024-06-22/
Yes. And I'm completely against the settlements as well if it wasn't clear. But I also think there are not the roadblock to peace as people make them out to be, there are solution to this. Might not be with the current make-up of this government but I haven't lost hope.

This is how I took it. Still the point stand. But to your point and I think this is something people from the west especially are having hard time to come to terms with or simply downplay is the religious ideological element of the conflict and what do the Palestinians really want, Not all but a significant part of them at least.
Westerners (and I'm generalizing) and Pro-Palestinians, when interacting in English or with the west, are "westplaning" the aspirations of the Palestinian national movement. It is much more digestible to a westerner to hear that all they want is ending the "occupation", no one bother to actually listen to them, what is the occupation? is it 67 borders? or is it the whole thing? 2 state or one? The reality is far more complex then binary.
The Palestinians and their supporter's rhetoric in English and in Arabic are of completely different realities, When you only see the "kid meal warped in a bow" version of it I think you get a very distorted and simplified version of reality. Every poll you will look at shows about 50/50 spilt among regular Palestinians for the 2-state solution (not it's feasibility but on whether it's the final desired solution). Support for armed struggle is about the same. Every poll shows that voting between Abbas and Hamas in the west back will be landslide Hamas victory, voting for Hamas is not voting for armed resistance to Israeli occupation, it's voting for the complete destruction of the Jewish state.
Whether they vote like this due to Israeli action or that Israeli action and policies are due to theirs action is a bit of a chicken and the egg question. Arab mobs in the mandate have killed jews in terror attack many years before Israel was a country. This is why the conflict is more complex then people prefer to think. And we didn't even mention the wider geopolitical conflict this is just a part of, were more players then just the two sides have pull. Heck even the palastinians themself are split into two ideological entities.
Westerners (and I'm generalizing) and Pro-Palestinians, when interacting in English or with the west, are "westplaning" the aspirations of the Palestinian national movement. It is much more digestible to a westerner to hear that all they want is ending the "occupation", no one bother to actually listen to them, what is the occupation? is it 67 borders? or is it the whole thing? 2 state or one? The reality is far more complex then binary.
The Palestinians and their supporter's rhetoric in English and in Arabic are of completely different realities, When you only see the "kid meal warped in a bow" version of it I think you get a very distorted and simplified version of reality. Every poll you will look at shows about 50/50 spilt among regular Palestinians for the 2-state solution (not it's feasibility but on whether it's the final desired solution). Support for armed struggle is about the same. Every poll shows that voting between Abbas and Hamas in the west back will be landslide Hamas victory, voting for Hamas is not voting for armed resistance to Israeli occupation, it's voting for the complete destruction of the Jewish state.
Whether they vote like this due to Israeli action or that Israeli action and policies are due to theirs action is a bit of a chicken and the egg question. Arab mobs in the mandate have killed jews in terror attack many years before Israel was a country. This is why the conflict is more complex then people prefer to think. And we didn't even mention the wider geopolitical conflict this is just a part of, were more players then just the two sides have pull. Heck even the palastinians themself are split into two ideological entities.
Well like I said, a good peace would end up being one where neither side is completely satisfied. Everything that you said above can also be applied to Jews as well. What do they want, is it 2 states? The whole thing like the retard I posted above? It can apply to anything really, what do Americans want America to look like? It's not something that can be used as an excuse in my opinion. To add to that as I know that you know, the longer this goes on, the more it will radicalize people.
Well yes, this is helpful to an Israeli government not seriously interested in the creation of a Palestinian state.
A Palestinian state and peace? You definitely have no idea dont you.
When you hear Palestinians who are inside our own government talking about Palestinians need to occupy Israel and basically saying in a less direct words (as he cant directly say it) that Israelis should stop existing. This is not media by the way - This is him live and I personally heard it so no miscomunication or any sort of propoganda.
And who is this guy? Probably one of the least extremist there are.
Also peace? It would have happened in seconds should the Palestinians really want to.
And last and not least - Genocide? You want Israel to stop the war? Tell them to bring back the hostages and it will immediately stop.
Contrary to what you said - There are mounts of evidence that what Im saying is true.
Hope it will put some sense into you as if it doesnt, nothing will.
You want one example - no problem. Take Jordan as an example - They actually wanted peace and since then there is 0 wars between the countries.
When you hear Palestinians who are inside our own government talking about Palestinians need to occupy Israel and basically saying in a less direct words (as he cant directly say it) that Israelis should stop existing. This is not media by the way - This is him live and I personally heard it so no miscomunication or any sort of propoganda.
And who is this guy? Probably one of the least extremist there are.
Also peace? It would have happened in seconds should the Palestinians really want to.
And last and not least - Genocide? You want Israel to stop the war? Tell them to bring back the hostages and it will immediately stop.
Contrary to what you said - There are mounts of evidence that what Im saying is true.
Hope it will put some sense into you as if it doesnt, nothing will.
You want one example - no problem. Take Jordan as an example - They actually wanted peace and since then there is 0 wars between the countries.
But you're right man. Israelis are perfect, just, and do no wrong. Palestinians are inherently evil and all of them solely wish to kill all Jews, and it's all because they're cartoon villains that don't have actual capacity for reasoning and motivations! How fun!
