Israeli-Palestinian conflict (327 Viewers)

[swag]

How does the saying go? One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Targeting civilians with missiles, especially when done by democratic governments whether they're Palestinian or Israeli, is a savage and indefensible act.

No argument there. The trouble arises when people start defining what is or isn't a "civilian".

 

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[Snoop]

Snoop use a good man...

and you the crazyman. where are you planning coup d'etat?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

How does the saying go? One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Targeting civilians with missiles, especially when done by democratic governments whether they're Palestinian or Israeli, is a savage and indefensible act.

how many israeli civilians suffered from this savage indefensible act perpetrated by the palestinians on a land that the whole world community considers theirs, please put some context in those generalisations

 

[Sadomin]

how many israeli civilians suffered from this savage indefensible act perpetrated by the palestinians on a land that the whole world community considers theirs, please put some context in those generalisations

There are 189 pages of context right here.

Israeli military killing hundreds (or thousands) of times more than Hamas is inexcusable, but that doesn't remove the terrorist stamp from Hamas' actions which was the point of discussion.

 

[Bjerknes]

There are 189 pages of context right here.

Israeli military killing hundreds (or thousands) of times more than Hamas is inexcusable, but that doesn't remove the terrorist stamp from Hamas' actions which was the point of discussion.

So Palestinians should accept and obey whatever Israel does to them?

I'm sorry but that's retarded. Apparently as long as the force in question is internationally accepted, they can do whatever they want.

 

[Sadomin]

So Palestinians should accept and obey whatever Israel does to them?

Of course not. Hamas have admitted that they targeted Israeli civilians on purpose though, which I believe is the very definition of terrorism (and it applies vice versa).

I'm sorry but that's retarded. Apparently as long as the force in question is internationally accepted, they can do whatever they want.

What's retarded? Targeting civilians? I agree. And what are you suggesting with the second sentence?

I will answer tomorrow. Bedtime.

 

[Eddy]

What's retarded? Targeting civilians? I agree. And what are you suggesting with the second sentence?

I will answer tomorrow. Bedtime.

He means that as long as you are occupied, you can do whatever the fuck you want because of that occupation. And it's true, no one is going to accept and obey in a situation like that. If you do, you're a coward to your country. And no one wants to be a coward to their country.

 

[Eddy]

I'm sorry, but do you have any idea how war spreads? Suppose Israel and Palestine are at war. For argument's sake let's say Egypt is enraged about the plight of Palestine and joins in on their side. Israel gets the equivalent support from, say, Greece. Now instead of 2 states at war, there are 4. And all you can ever accomplish by taking sides is to pile up more and more participants until you got yourself the next World War.

The most that outside states can accomplish is not get dragged into the war. They can't end the war, because to do that the warring sides first have to want it themselves. Which they clearly don't since they don't even recognize each other.

Boy did you put out the wrong country to give as an example. Greece has never helped Israel in any sort of way. In fact, they despise the jews.

exactly. nothing personal about arabs or other non-white people. after a while people here (north america) just dont really care no more. it becomes part of life.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Eddy]

I have no solution, Andy.
I've been really thinking about this in the last month and i feel so helpless. On one side, i find myself wishing death to those who kill the children and the women in Gaza, while on the other side i realized that the same will happen to the Israeli children if the Palestinians are as strong as Israel and Israel is as weak as Palestine.
The hatred there is too strong, whoever has the power will commit murders over innocent civilians.

I was thinking what will happen if they're equally strong. Will they be afraid of eachother and won't start a new war? You know, something like USA vs USSR. But there is the land problem and even if both parties are equally strong, one party will start a war for the lost land, while the other side will fight back to protect that land.

I have no idea what should be done. Something obviously has to be done but i'm not smart enough to think of a solution.

Give control to the U.N. over the area. That's their new state and main HQ. No Palestine, no Israel on the map but there Identification will show their nationality be it Jew or Palestinian. 3 leaders will be the sole rulers of that land, A muslim, a christian and a jew, whilst agreeing together on how they should solve their problems. While the army or peacekeepers in this case is controlled by the U.N so as it sees no war breaking out between the civilians. There you go, peace in the middle east. At least that's how I want to see it.

There's no point in removing the Jews and telling them to go back where they came from because it would be wrong. You can't just send them back. And that's why we look to the future.

 

[Bjerknes]

Good stuff by Chomsky again about the situation, showing once again how it is the West's fault for everything that happens.

 

[Bjerknes]

This is insane. Apparently we signed a deal for more Israeli aid WHILE Israel was attacking Gaza, according to Chomsky himself. But this shit didn't make the news.

Pakistan, watch out, because apparently you're next on the docket.

 

[Osman]

Just corious on one thing, which I keep hearing about EU politicians speeches and statements. Does anyone here agree with stopping the weapons being smuggled to Hamas as demands for a peace process? Seems Eu, (UN too? Maybe not)and everyone else in the west seems to make that as a condition in a truce or a peace plan. May I ask WHY should Hamas not have weapons? Other then they are the weaker part of the struggle, and hence can be bullied?

Why shouldnt they get weapons when Israel gets BILLIONS of military aid and the best and most modern weaponry in existence? Whats the difference? Why shouldnt one get AKs and Rockets (through underground tunnels), while the other gets weaponry aid from the US that is WAY bigger aid then the humanitarian aid US gives annually?

Isnt this nothing but taking the side of Israel? (Like demanding of someone to drop the knife, when his opponent is about to mow him down with a tank) From this so called "impartial" Global community.


P.S I'm not naive this post is mainly rhetorical, and I know the reality of the hypocracy power balance of it all. But corious what you think.

 

[Bjerknes]

Just corious on one think, which I keep hearing about EU politicians speeches and statements. Does anyone here agree with stopping the weapons being smuggled to Hamas as demands for a peace process? Seems Eu, (UN too? Maybe not)and everyone else in the west seems to make that as a condition in a truce or a peace plan. May I ask WHY should Hamas not have weapons? Other then they are the weaker part of the struggle, and hence can be bullied?

Why shouldnt they get weapons when Israel gets BILLIONS of military aid and the best and most modern weaponry in existence? Whats the difference? Why shouldnt one get AKs and Rockets (through underground tunnels), while the other gets weaponry aid from the US that is WAY bigger aid then the humanitarian aid US gives annually?

Isnt this nothing but taking the side of Israel? From this so called "impartial" Global community.


P.S I'm not naive this post is mainly rhetorical, and I know the reality of the hypocracy power balance of it all. But corious what you think.

I think people who believe that the UN is a meaningful organization are a bunch of idiots. That's what I think.

Same goes with those who think Hamas is a terrorist organization while their government is not.

 

[Vinman]

Can you please find me similar pics of Jews back then to these pictures below?

from the pictures, I cant decide who scares me more, the ninjas or the KKK

 

[Bjerknes]

Don't start Vinni.

 

[Ahmed]

the IDF should scare you more

 

[Bjerknes]

If Vinni cares so much about taxes, as he went on about during the elections, then he should be worried about the tax money going to Israel as that greatly outweighs a lot of other things taxpayer money goes to.

 

[Vinman]

If Vinni cares so much about taxes, as he went on about during the elections, then he should be worried about the tax money going to Israel as that greatly outweighs a lot of other things taxpayer money goes to.

its hard to notice any federal taxes that go to Israel when my state insists on taxing the hell out of me for all the "poor" peoples in my state.....

 

[Bjerknes]

its hard to notice any federal taxes that go to Israel when my state insists on taxing the hell out of me for all the "poor" peoples in my state.....

Well, if the US didn't pay Israel billions every year for non-services, then you would probably have to pay less in tax revenue. That's the truth brother.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

from the pictures, I cant decide who scares me more, the ninjas or the KKK

the IDF should scare you more

The IDF never took down two huge buildings in my country.