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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Diet coke is terrible for your teeth also. The problem for erosion of tooth enamel, and tooth decay, isn't just the sugars, it's also the acidity of diet sodas, which is less than regular soda but still too high. (3.2 PH vs 2.5 PH)

From a study by the Academy of General Dentistry:
"A tooth immersed in Regular Coke for 48 hours would have 6% of its mass dissolved away, while that same tooth immersed in Diet Coke would lose “only” 1.5% of its mass."
Diet coke will destroy your teeth, just at a slower pace than regular coke.

Here's another study on comparison of tooth decay between meth users and diet coke drinkers.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23454320
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Diet coke is terrible for your teeth also. The problem for erosion of tooth enamel, and tooth decay, isn't just the sugars, it's also the acidity of diet sodas, which is less than regular soda but still too high. (3.2 PH vs 2.5 PH)

From a study by the Academy of General Dentistry:

Diet coke will destroy your teeth, just at a slower pace than regular coke.

Here's another study on comparison of tooth decay between meth users and diet coke drinkers.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23454320
Luckely, the coke cola light sold in europr has much higher pH then that so not nearly the same issue.

If you do corrosion tests with it, the difference in results is quite amazing.

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2 Litres a day is a rather insane amount :p
Offcourse its not. Grow some vegetables, spray them against insects and disease, much healthyer

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Carbonated drinks are mostly poison.
That is 100% correct

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@Zacheryah

What are the names of the routines you do? I know you mentioned them many times in this thread but I forgot the name, so I don't know what to search for.
In chronological order

Bill star intermediate (8/10)
3X3 strength (7/10, got injured)
Upper / lower acclimatisation(5/10)
Tutcheners RTS (9/10)
Smolov jr and smolov squat routine(9/10)
sheiko cms 4 day protocol (10/10)

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Dont do the sheiko and smolov.

Smolov is excellent to boost one lift while others stagnate
Sheiko cms is tailored for people who squat+deadlift 520+ kg
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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In chronological order

Bill star intermediate (8/10)
3X3 strength (7/10, got injured)
Upper / lower acclimatisation(5/10)
Tutcheners RTS (9/10)
Smolov jr and smolov squat routine(9/10)
sheiko cms 4 day protocol (10/10)

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Dont do the sheiko and smolov.

Smolov is excellent to boost one lift while others stagnate
Sheiko cms is tailored for people who squat+deadlift 520+ kg
Thanks :tup:. So basically these are all, for the most part, more advanced routines that you should not start with?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Luckely, the coke cola light sold in europr has much higher pH then that so not nearly the same issue.

If you do corrosion tests with it, the difference in results is quite amazing.

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Offcourse its not. Grow some vegetables, spray them against insects and disease, much healthier

In chronological order

Bill star intermediate (8/10)
3X3 strength (7/10, got injured)
Upper / lower acclimatisation(5/10)
Tutcheners RTS (9/10)
Smolov jr and smolov squat routine(9/10)
sheiko cms 4 day protocol (10/10)

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Dont do the sheiko and smolov.

Smolov is excellent to boost one lift while others stagnate
Sheiko cms is tailored for people who squat+deadlift 520+ kg

That's really cool. I had no idea that the product was different between North America and Europe. I should have guessed though, most things of that sort, have been made healthier in Europe for a more educated and health-conscious population.

I don't spray my vegetables, and only grow heirloom varieties (or at least try to).


Are those your ratings on each routine out of 10? Do you use Prilepin's tables to plan things out in conjunction with your choice of routine? I've always like this article. http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/sports-training/prilepin’s-chart/

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@Zacheryah

I always found this guy and his training methodology fascinating. I tried it a few different times, with both O-lifting and P-lifting, scaled slightly back to reflect non-usage of PEDs for recovery. Saw massive gains three of the four times, when I was a student and had the time required for this training method, and the last time, while working full time, ended up overworking myself into several muscle strains. The volume is just insane, so to follow it is basically a full-time job, with the required recovery time and such.

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/the-abadjiev-method-part-1/

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/the-abadjiev-method-part-2-trial/

http://www.mikesgym.org/programs/uploads/abadjiev1.pdf

http://www.owresource.com/training/bulgarian.php



 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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Is there really a significant difference between using a machine and using a dumbbell? Something like this, for example:



Been trying to wait for a job until I signed up for a gym, but it's been 5 months, I can't wait any longer. So I'm trying to find a cheap place to go to, but I fear that it's going to be composed mostly of machines like that.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Is there really a significant difference between using a machine and using a dumbbell? Something like this, for example:

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Been trying to wait for a job until I signed up for a gym, but it's been 5 months, I can't wait any longer. So I'm trying to find a cheap place to go to, but I fear that it's going to be composed mostly of machines like that.
Machines only move in 1 direction. they dont really train you in positioning muscles and balance. Dumbells move all over the place. Bodybuilders who want to increase a specific muscle benefit from machines. Someone who wants to increase strength and stability benefits from dumbells.

That's really cool. I had no idea that the product was different between North America and Europe. I should have guessed though, most things of that sort, have been made healthier in Europe for a more educated and health-conscious population.

I don't spray my vegetables, and only grow heirloom varieties (or at least try to).


Are those your ratings on each routine out of 10? Do you use Prilepin's tables to plan things out in conjunction with your choice of routine? I've always like this article. http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/sports-training/prilepin’s-chart/

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@Zacheryah

I always found this guy and his training methodology fascinating. I tried it a few different times, with both O-lifting and P-lifting, scaled slightly back to reflect non-usage of PEDs for recovery. Saw massive gains three of the four times, when I was a student and had the time required for this training method, and the last time, while working full time, ended up overworking myself into several muscle strains. The volume is just insane, so to follow it is basically a full-time job, with the required recovery time and such.

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/the-abadjiev-method-part-1/

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/the-abadjiev-method-part-2-trial/

http://www.mikesgym.org/programs/uploads/abadjiev1.pdf

http://www.owresource.com/training/bulgarian.php



Those are trainings tailored to professional athletes, who's strength relative to bodyweight is incredibly high. Sheiko offers simular personalised schedules for eastern europe athletes who speak russian.
This beeing for olympic lifting, has alot of sets, of very low reps. Dat dere Tendon strength increase.
Like sheiko who also murders you with sets (but less cause excercises are much heavyer), this is a very certain way to improve
But as you noticed, you need to be at the correct cathegory for this kind of volume, of your shoot your tendons and recovery to bits


Think of it as this. If you create x% of muscle trauma and y% of hormonal response with a lighter schedule, you should keep doing that, untill X and Y drop to low. You then increase loading volume with new training types.The ratings i gave were the personal gain i had from them
For a cms, a 3 day schedule is far to low. Need 4 days a week, two of them wich makes you squat twice, in order to get that muscle trauma and hormonal response right, along with increasing tendonstrength and neural adaptability

Today i have to do front squats untill 3x3x125, a load of benchpress, and then squats with pauze halfway down untill 4*2*175. Gonna be tough, but allright.

In 2012 when i did bill star for 6 months, if i had to replace my squat with one of these variants, i'd certainly would have overloaded myself.


I've followed the protocol of the schedule i was doing. Bill star, smolov, sheiko plan out every workout. RTS needs your 6rm RPE8 of that particular day, 3x3 your previous 3rm

Thanks :tup:. So basically these are all, for the most part, more advanced routines that you should not start with?
Sort off yeah

Bill star intermediate is good for anyone that wants to train for strength/powerlifting and has developped a bit of base.



3x3 strength is nice, but its a roider schedule, you'll injure yourself without
The upper lower was based on west side barbell/ louis simmons. But those schedule are for heavy roiding geared powerlifters, in suits.



RTS, Smolov and Sheiko are advanced schedules. Smolov is for when you squat 180+kg. RTSis for athletes who are acclimatised to training a lift 3-5 times per week.
Seiko tailors its schedules based on your classification. I'm in the CMS group, but he allready has training schedules for group 3.



If i could choose it all over, i'd suggest going Bill star intermediate, then RTS with much variance to get to know them all, then Sheiko for the rest of lift
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,823
Machines only move in 1 direction. they dont really train you in positioning muscles and balance. Dumbells move all over the place. Bodybuilders who want to increase a specific muscle benefit from machines. Someone who wants to increase strength and stability benefits from dumbells.



Those are trainings tailored to professional athletes, who's strength relative to bodyweight is incredibly high. Sheiko offers simular personalised schedules for eastern europe athletes who speak russian.
This beeing for olympic lifting, has alot of sets, of very low reps. Dat dere Tendon strength increase.
Like sheiko who also murders you with sets (but less cause excercises are much heavyer), this is a very certain way to improve
But as you noticed, you need to be at the correct cathegory for this kind of volume, of your shoot your tendons and recovery to bits


Think of it as this. If you create x% of muscle trauma and y% of hormonal response with a lighter schedule, you should keep doing that, untill X and Y drop to low. You then increase loading volume with new training types.The ratings i gave were the personal gain i had from them
For a cms, a 3 day schedule is far to low. Need 4 days a week, two of them wich makes you squat twice, in order to get that muscle trauma and hormonal response right, along with increasing tendonstrength and neural adaptability

Today i have to do front squats untill 3x3x125, a load of benchpress, and then squats with pauze halfway down untill 4*2*175. Gonna be tough, but allright.

In 2012 when i did bill star for 6 months, if i had to replace my squat with one of these variants, i'd certainly would have overloaded myself.


I've followed the protocol of the schedule i was doing. Bill star, smolov, sheiko plan out every workout. RTS needs your 6rm RPE8 of that particular day, 3x3 your previous 3rm



Sort off yeah

Bill star intermediate is good for anyone that wants to train for strength/powerlifting and has developped a bit of base.



3x3 strength is nice, but its a roider schedule, you'll injure yourself without
The upper lower was based on west side barbell/ louis simmons. But those schedule are for heavy roiding geared powerlifters, in suits.



RTS, Smolov and Sheiko are advanced schedules. Smolov is for when you squat 180+kg. RTSis for athletes who are acclimatised to training a lift 3-5 times per week.
Seiko tailors its schedules based on your classification. I'm in the CMS group, but he allready has training schedules for group 3.



If i could choose it all over, i'd suggest going Bill star intermediate, then RTS with much variance to get to know them all, then Sheiko for the rest of lift
Thank you so much Zach :heart:
 

Ragazza

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Jul 22, 2013
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Been trying to wait for a job until I signed up for a gym, but it's been 5 months, I can't wait any longer. So I'm trying to find a cheap place to go to, but I fear that it's going to be composed mostly of machines like that.
Unless you're interested in training to be a bodybuilder, or want to take a lot of fitness classes or something like that, just join Planet Fitness if there are any near you. It's generally the cheapest gym in the country and you pay month-to-month so when you can afford an actual good gym you can just cancel your membership there. It's cheap for a reason, but it's ok for what it is especially if only as a temporary solution. Just don't drop weights (you'll find out why :p)
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,823
Unless you're interested in training to be a bodybuilder, or want to take a lot of fitness classes or something like that, just join Planet Fitness if there are any near you. It's generally the cheapest gym in the country and you pay month-to-month so when you can afford an actual good gym you can just cancel your membership there. It's cheap for a reason, but it's ok for what it is especially if only as a temporary solution. Just don't drop weights (you'll find out why :p)
There aren't any by me. Was going to join Blink. $15-25 a month and I could bring someone.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,540
do not join planet fitness bro. they don't even have barbells. you'll be stuck with 60 lbs dumbbells max and you might as well do bodyweight exercises.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
There aren't any by me. Was going to join Blink. $15-25 a month and I could bring someone.
If you're looking to train, and don't have the funds for a gym currently, gymnastic bodyweight style training can be quite effective, and with very minimal equipment. Only some sort of pull-up bar is needed. The rest can be done on the ground.
 

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