Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
i find it amazing that members here keep talking about tinkering with the defense when we have so much more pressing issues
:agree:

Especially considering we get Rugani back for free in the summer if we decide we need a new defender. Our defense has allowed 14 goals in Serie A this year, down from 22 at the same point last year. Without Barzagli. Clearly, it's working.

We need creativity in attack. That's it.

Our defense is set. Our midfield is set. Our attack is good, but it lacks creativity.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
yup.

look at our defense. at times eraly in the season we only had like one defender on the bench in many matches. and we did fine. we have missed asamoah, barzagli for long periods. even caceres, evra and ogbonna missed many games through injuries. and we have done just fine.

mid has missed pirlo for many games. and with an out of form vidal. still doing fine.

but we are a tevez injury away from a crisis. any other player we have cover for
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
@ Sabatini lovers.

From a ROma fan:

Sabatini deserves a lot of blame almost just as much as Rudi if not more.

-Letting Benatia go.
-Signing Cole who sucks
-Overpaying for Iturbe
-Bringing in (and overpaying) for Mapou.
-Still not bringing in decent fullbacks
-Overpaying for Ucan/Sanabria who never play
-Bringing in 2 injured/not fit players in January to try and help up in Doumbia and Ibarbo (and overpaying for both as well).
-Basically gifting Destro to Milan for 6 months (his loan was 500K, meanwhile fucking Spolli’s loan was like 2 million hahaha)

He should hand in his resignation.
And people thought Saba was better than the great man. Pfft. Not even fit to shine Marotta's shoes!

@zizinho @Hustini @Bianconero_Aus
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
:agree:

Especially considering we get Rugani back for free in the summer if we decide we need a new defender. Our defense has allowed 14 goals in Serie A this year, down from 22 at the same point last year. Without Barzagli. Clearly, it's working.

We need creativity in attack. That's it.

Our defense is set. Our midfield is set. Our attack is good, but it lacks creativity.
Our defense is getting old.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
:lol: what ever happened to Ucan? i remember someone here praising him as a great signing for them?
The Roma fans were in rapture over his signing. He was going to be the next big thing. Their midfield was going to be overpowered and so much better than ours with Ucan also now on the bench. I think he's played 1 minute. :lol:
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
Barzagli to Rugani.
Pirlo to Marchisio. (has already begun).

Lichtsteiner and Chiellini are not of irreplaceable quality.

The only two who could be challenges are Buffon and Tevez.
Absolutely.

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We should consider it in temrs of performance vs possible offers...but that will never happen me thinks. He is, like marchisio, one of the fan favourites and has been loyal to the club thru the years.

IMO, he never was the same after that euro destruction by the hands of spain.
Chiellini has zero chance to be sold. He will retire at Juve.

Bonucci is following the same path.

Next season I hope Allegri tries Bonucci or Barzagli on the left side. Chiellini must experience bench... he's clearly declining..

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Our lack of creativity is our most glaring issue imo. We need a player or two who can actually take on/beat players and break down stubborn defences.
Disagree. Although it's a need, indeed, I think we really need 2 fullbacks who can attack, who are quick enough to offer width upfront.

We have creativity now with Pogba, Tevez, and even some Pereyra. What we don't have is width. We need better fullbacks or wingers for that.

We also need a better CB, it could be Rugani.

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:agree:

Especially considering we get Rugani back for free in the summer if we decide we need a new defender. Our defense has allowed 14 goals in Serie A this year, down from 22 at the same point last year. Without Barzagli. Clearly, it's working.

We need creativity in attack. That's it.

Our defense is set. Our midfield is set. Our attack is good, but it lacks creativity.
Rugani's other half was purchased for 3/4M in january I think.

Marotta antecipated it because of Arsenal interest.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,992
Definitely 2 WC wingbakcs are a must at this point... even more than an AM.

Our guys can créate things constantly in games...even without a proper AM...but our witdh is simply bullshid...we cant cross for shid and our WBs cant dribble or really worry enemy defenders.

We need at least one winger who can keep the enemy on their tose the whole game. THAT will créate spaces for the rest fo the team.

Right now...we still suffer from teams who park the bus or crowd the middle of the pitch...and worst...most of our plays from the wings ends in turn overs or really, really bad crosses.

We waste to many posesión and potential chances on the wings.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,626
Rugani has arguably been not only the best young defender in the league this year, but the best defender, period. At his age, considering the stubbornness of coaches in this league to paly young players, to do what he has been doing, is amazing. Not one yellow card this year, either.

Pirlo to Marchisio, talent wise, is a step down, however they are asked to play two different roles on this club, so I don't think that is too much of an issue. Once Pirlo goes, unless they somehow get Verratti, then there will not be a regista that needs to be replaced.

Licht is, or has been, pretty limited lately offensively, and his crossing as always, has been abysmal. I don't think he will be all that difficult to replace.


Chiellini? Yes. He has been on a steady downward slope for the past 2 years, at minimum, and if his reputation out there hasn't caught up to his recent play, then maybe Juve can cash in on him.
Rugani is still an unknown. Lots of players (defenders) have looked amazing with small teams but turned out to be extremely limited once they came to a big team. I recall Kjaer was great for Palermo, shit everywhere else. I recall Lovren was amazing for southhampton, shit everywhere else and the easiest example is Bonnuci and Rannochis who were the best defenders in Serie A with bari and both turned out to be limited with the more promising one turning out worse. Ogbonna was great for torino too.

Ofcoarse that doesnt mean Rugani will be like them, there also lots of players who continue to be good or even great. As you have said he is having a great start to his career and hopefully has a steady development. But he still hasn't done anything to show that he can take the place of a great like Barzagli.
 

JuveID

Allegri and Beppe Mania
Feb 5, 2015
1,113
About Juventus regeneration, I think marotta already did something extraordinary.

Juventus Next XI
Neto/Leali
Rugani
Ogbonna (Could be sold, but i prefer to keep him )
Mattielo ( has heavy injury, but i am confident he will be back stronger)
Isla ( Could be sold , i prefer to sold him )
Sturaro
Asamoah
Pereyra
Berardi
Coman
Zaza

In current condition, maybe some of them are not ready.
But everything will be difference in future .
Some of therm will has contract untill 2019/2020 with small salary.
That could be huge advantage for us.

For buying player U 20-25
We have a great relationship with palermo, udinese, sassuolo and empoli.
They have great scout and believe to young player.
Could be huge advantage.

For u 9-18 , i do not know very well about this sector.
But considering how amazing Marotta snatch player like pogba, coman, berardi , etc, i have confidence juve will upgrade this sector.

For player above 25?
You must ask Agnelli.
But he can snatch player caliber tevez, barzagli, pirlo, and vidal with "small salary" and small fee transfer / free
He also look great player like sanchez, aguero , etc who has quality.
The problem is not marotta. The problem is our current financial.
But i am sure our financial will improve soon.

About current players.
We can use pirlo, barzagli, tevez, evra untill 2016
We can use bonucci Chiellini, Marchisio buffon padoin, caceres, litch till 2017/2018
The can be good teacher for our next generation.

We have big gem like morata vidal and pogba.
Morata has buy back.
So let say we switch it with somone like dybala or somone else.

Marotta already think to build future with small budget.
He already think till 2020.
While we just think about how to win UCL at 2016 without not thinking about future.
 

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